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Race differences in average IQ are largely genetic

Published on April 26, 2005 at 5:29 PM · 148 Comments

A 60-page review of the scientific evidence, some based on state-of-the-art magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) of brain size, has concluded that race differences in average IQ are largely genetic.

The lead article in the June 2005 issue of Psychology, Public Policy and Law, a journal of the American Psychological Association, examined 10 categories of research evidence from around the world to contrast "a hereditarian model (50% genetic-50% cultural) and a culture-only model (0% genetic-100% cultural)."

The paper, "Thirty Years of Research on Race Differences in Cognitive Ability," by J. Philippe Rushton of the University of Western Ontario and Arthur R. Jensen of the University of California at Berkeley, appeared with a positive commentary by Linda Gottfredson of the University of Delaware, three critical ones (by Robert Sternberg of Yale University, Richard Nisbett of the University of Michigan, and Lisa Suzuki & Joshua Aronson of New York University), and the authors' reply.

"Neither the existence nor the size of race differences in IQ are a matter of dispute, only their cause," write the authors. The Black-White difference has been found consistently from the time of the massive World War I Army testing of 90 years ago to a massive study of over 6 million corporate, military, and higher-education test-takers in 2001.

"Race differences show up by 3 years of age, even after matching on maternal education and other variables," said Rushton. "Therefore they cannot be due to poor education since this has not yet begun to exert an effect. That's why Jensen and I looked at the genetic hypothesis in detail. We examined 10 categories of evidence."

  1. The Worldwide Pattern of IQ Scores. East Asians average higher on IQ tests than Whites, both in the U. S. and in Asia, even though IQ tests were developed for use in the Euro-American culture. Around the world, the average IQ for East Asians centers around 106; for Whites, about 100; and for Blacks about 85 in the U.S. and 70 in sub-Saharan Africa.

  2. Race Differences are Most Pronounced on Tests that Best Measure the General Intelligence Factor (g). Black-White differences, for example, are larger on the Backward Digit Span test than on the less g loaded Forward Digit Span test.

  3. The Gene-Environment Architecture of IQ is the Same in all Races, and Race Differences are Most Pronounced on More Heritable Abilities. Studies of Black, White, and East Asian twins, for example, show the heritability of IQ is 50% or higher in all races.

  4. Brain Size Differences. Studies using magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) find a correlation of brain size with IQ of about 0.40. Larger brains contain more neurons and synapses and process information faster. Race differences in brain size are present at birth. By adulthood, East Asians average 1 cubic inch more cranial capacity than Whites who average 5 cubic inches more than Blacks.

  5. Trans-Racial Adoption Studies. Race differences in IQ remain following adoption by White middle class parents. East Asians grow to average higher IQs than Whites while Blacks score lower. The Minnesota Trans-Racial Adoption Study followed children to age 17 and found race differences were even greater than at age 7: White children, 106; Mixed-Race children, 99; and Black children, 89.

  6. Racial Admixture Studies. Black children with lighter skin, for example, average higher IQ scores. In South Africa, the IQ of the mixed-race "Colored" population averages 85, intermediate to the African 70 and White 100.

  7. IQ Scores of Blacks and Whites Regress toward the Averages of Their Race. Parents pass on only some exceptional genes to offspring so parents with very high IQs tend to have more average children. Black and White children with parents of IQ 115 move to different averages--Blacks toward 85 and Whites to 100.

  8. Race Differences in Other "Life-History" Traits. East Asians and Blacks consistently fall at two ends of a continuum with Whites intermediate on 60 measures of maturation, personality, reproduction, and social organization. For example, Black children sit, crawl, walk, and put on their clothes earlier than Whites or East Asians.

  9. Race Differences and the Out-of-Africa theory of Human Origins. East Asian-White-Black differences fit the theory that modern humans arose in Africa about 100,000 years ago and expanded northward. During prolonged winters there was evolutionary selection for higher IQ created by problems of raising children, gathering and storing food, gaining shelter, and making clothes.

  10. Do Culture-Only Theories Explain the Data? Culture-only theories do not explain the highly consistent pattern of race differences in IQ, especially the East Asian data. No interventions such as ending segregation, introducing school busing, or "Head Start" programs have reduced the gaps as culture-only theory would predict.

Comments
  1. Gregory F. Peischl Gregory F. Peischl United States says:

    I have always thought that north west Europeans had the highest IQs in the world, however the book IQ and the Wealth of Nations has the smartest whites as Germans, Austrians and Italians, with East Asians beating them. Considering the lifestyles in Scandinavia, and comparing them to the rest of the worlds, especially east Asia, makes be conclude that far North west Europeans have by far the best suite of intellectual characteristics of the world's people. They are not overpopulated, never have been, and this alone makes be believe that they are better than the rest of us.

  2. Tom Holzel Tom Holzel United States says:

    Left out in this short article is that East Asians have a lower I.Q. for language--97 is reported in the Bible of race and I.Q. studies--Herrenstein and Murray's fascinating work "The Bell Curve."

    Also, Eskanazi Jews have a higher I.Q. (~110) than corresponding caucasians.

    Leftist ideologues cannot abide by these results, so anyone holding them is immediately given the treatment, i.e., totally ignored. Then if the opinions come out anyway, ferociously attacked on a personal basis beginning with lunacy and quickly heading downhill from there. Under no circumstances will the evidence ever be disputed, because it is by now indisputable. At best one hears the standard canard that the opinion is "deeply flawed," without, of course, describing any flaws.

  3. Dan Sadowski Dan Sadowski United States says:

    Results like this will never fly in our politically correct world.  Most Americans believe that their is no genetic differences in any race.  They believe this because of the media, and colleges and universities.  Our society has been pro minority for a long time, and that will never change, at least in my lifetime.  People believe what they want to, what they are told, and what makes the most sense emotionally.  It seems like a nice thought, that everybody is born the same with the same capabilities.  It is fair, and this idea means that people don't need to be discouraged by there birth race.  It would be horrible to be told that you aren't very smart because of your race.  But life isn't fair.  Different races, and different individuals of the same race have genetic differences in I.Q.
    Just don't ever expect the mainstream citizen to ever believe it.   There is a myth that America is a fair, honest and justice seeking nation.  Recent developments would seem to indicate otherwise.

  4. Marc Marc United States says:

    This article does not provide a coherent scientific definition of race that would make for reliable measurement. The authors and their defenders keep assuming that if they keep talking about their racial categories as if they had biological reality, they will. But what is a "US black"? There is no biological reality to that concept, only a social one. Saying there is does not make it so and until a rational explanation is provided for how conventional racial categories have any consistent biological meaning, studies like this will be worthless. The conclusion is laughable--the implications of the research are clearly that people should be treated as members of groups--after all, why waste resources on people who lack the intelligence, to the authors, to ever use those resources.

    • John John United States says:

      Does it really matter if race is "real?"

      Suppose race is not real. Would it still be possible to conclude that people with significant African ancestry have darker skin than do people with significant European ancestry? What about denser bones? Higher testosterone levels? Lower intelligence levels? Obviously, the answer to these questions is yes.

      But the fact of the matter is that race IS real. The notion that race does not exist was debunked a while ago, and it now has a name: Lewontin's Fallacy.

      Trying to argue that race doesn't exist is a cheap way to skirt the issue. Instead of arguing against all the evidence for the existence of racial differences in intelligence, race-deniers deny the existence of race. (Yet, of course, they think members of certain races should be given preferential treatment in college admissions!)

      Race is real, and races differ in intelligence. I'm sorry, but that's the truth.

      • Edward Wolf Edward Wolf Australia says:

        And your point is? That we laugh at the individuals of races that are intellectally inferior to caucasians? Just what the hell is the point of such "truth"?

        • Colonel Neville Colonel Neville says:

          Er, if you feel like laughing. No, that's YOUR sugestion. Odd how you revert to "whites" versus whom ever. How PC and utterly phony.

          The study is empirical and shows that Asians and Japanese [and Jewish folks] have a higher average intelligence per se. Ya know it did. Deal with it. Maybe you imagine this is thinking "intellectally".  

          Quite a stupid PC paradigm there when presented with, problematic for you, facts, bub. But then one's Marxist product sodden PC multiculti left house of cards would collapse if you acknowledge those damn FACTS.

          Toodle ooh. I must be racist cos I disagree with you. I'll let my Japanese wife and massive family know. Colonel Neville.

      • Nix Nix Kenya says:

        Guy I want you to explain me this: why US Blacks IQ differ much from African IQ?

        • Richard Richard United Kingdom says:

          In South Africa, IQ scores historically were Orientals, followed by White Europeans, followed by Mixed Race/Asian, and then followed by sub-Saharan Africans.  Note that whites, who were the beneficiaries of government policy, still did not surpass Oriental scores. The point here is that Black Americans have a significant admixture of White European. That probably accounts for the difference.  Remember, these are not scores that apply to every single member of a racial group but are averages.

      • Christopher Christopher United States says:

        The opposite is true. It has been established by every legitimate scientist that "race" is a fallacy, it's just usually dismissed by racists as liberak bias. The truth is, race is a social construct that people have used to degrade and disrespect each other. It is honestly pretty sad to see so many people believing this crap...a black person pretty much has to exceed expectations every time to be considered almost equal by many of you

        • quid0 quid0 United States says:

          If  race  is  such  a fallacy >.  why do  liberals  insist  on  affirmative  action >.  YOU  CAN'T  HAVE  IT  BOTH  WAYS!!Furthermore  the  degradion  of  a  certain  racial  group  is  the  result  of their  behavior (which  is  highly  affected  by  their  genetics).  Spend  a  few  days  in  a  negroid  high  school  and  get back  to  me.

    • Nick Nick United States says:

      You deny the existence of different races. Do you support affirmative action?

      • Colonel Neville Colonel Neville says:

        Now that's a riposte. Excellent. And you have exposed another typical contradiction of the Marxist product sodden PC left liberal. They see race when it works for their ideology then hey presto! It's gone! Ironically most of the left relentlessly talk down to the very same people cos liberal know what's best for everyone else. Colonel Neville.

    • RightofRush RightofRush United States says:

      Marc is either blinded by ideology or has systemic difficulty with reading comprehension.

  5. Bob Bob United States says:

    Of course race is real.. that's why Asians are genetically predisposed to be lactose-intolerant, or blacks have higher rates of prostate cancer.

    • Nick Nick United States says:

      Blacks are also more likely to have sickle cell anemia while whites are more likely to have skin cancer. There are obvious differences between the races, yet people would rather stick their heads in the sand.

      • Christopher Christopher United States says:

        You do realize that different "races" across the world are capable of catching different illnesses right? For example cancer may be more of an issue in one country than in others. So no...your "race" theory is still not rooted in fact. Your head is obviously filled with sand

        • Somerled Moray Somerled Moray New Zealand says:

          Who has claimed illnesses affect only some races? Only you it seems.
          The above posters are making the valid point that the evolutionary mechanisms for decreased average susceptibility to some diseases in some populations would also lend itself to increased average intelligence in some populations.
          Race is a term that seems to upset dogmatic liberals but it is an undisputable fact that humanity has evolved over the last 60,000 years in largely isolated populations with relatively little genetic flow in-between these populations. In fact races are like large families that have tended to inbreed, would you claim that families don’t exist and that family members don’t share similar genotypes relative to outsiders?    

  6. charles darwin charles darwin United States says:

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  7. Susan Susan United States says:

    I understand what Marc was trying to say. The United States-The Great Melting Pot! While I suppose I still qualify as caucasian, I do have some Cherokee genes, thanks to my Great-Grandmother. I am also Irish, German, and English. Which am I the most of? No idea!
    African-Americans, Asian-Americans... Without looking at their individual family trees, their own genetic make-up, how do you decide which "race" is the predominant one? Going by skin tone or the degree of slant to one's eye seems a bit simplistic.
    These studies really do bother me. I expect now to see the next study saying, yes, Blacks are the better athletes, as a famous sports announcer was once ridiculed for spouting!  

    • Watanabe Watanabe Japan says:

      I agree. I'm part Japanese. The Japanese people themselves contain about 17 'races'. On top of that I have Pacific Islander and Arabic in me. Now tell me what race am I exactly? The concept of a race is fundamentally flawed. The concept of a race would rely on constant isolation from other groups. In reality we know that never happens. Look at central Asia. What race are those people e.g. the Pakistanis, Turkish, Kazakhs? They are essentially a mix of all the races on the planet. However we tend to forget them in our petty 'race wars'.  

  8. Black Supremacist Black Supremacist United States says:

    Crawford-Nutt (1976) found that African black students enrolled in westernized schools scored higher on progressive matrix tests than did American white students. The study was meant to examine perceptual/cultural differences between groups, and demonstrated that one’s performance on western standardized tests may actually correspond more closely with the quality and style of schooling that one receives more so than other factors. These findings closely support research suggesting that the forms of recognition and reasoning found on Progressive Matrixes tests are exercised and maintained within a western style educational setting (Ceci & Williams, 1997; Ceci, 1991; Richardson, 2000, 2002). Buj (1981) also showed Ghanaian adults in another study to score higher on the same supposedly ‘culture fair’ intelligence test than did Irish adults; scores were 80 (Ghanaian) and 78 (Irish), respectively. While Shuttleworth-Edwards et al (2004) in a study with black South Africans between the ages of 19–30, showed highly significant effects for both level and quality of education within groups whose first language was an indigenous black African language. For example, black African first language groups (as well as white English speaking groups) with “advantaged education” were comparable with the US standardization in IQ test scores (e.g. WAIS-III).  

    Other programs have shown dramatic improvement in test scores for socially disadvantaged adolescents as a result of short-term cognitive training, so that "…three months later their performance was indistinguishable from that of middle class students” (Feuerstein & Kozulin, 1995, p. 74). Studies done with Ethiopian immigrant students coming from extraordinarily poor rural circumstances tested in Israel by different IQ tests had, in pre-intervention tests, demonstrated lower test scores than the Israeli norm. However, after a short but intensive teaching process the Ethiopian immigrant children performed at about the same level as the Israeli norm (Tzuriel & Kaufman, 1999; Kozulin, 1998).

    Bond (1924) early last century pointed out that the average IQ scores of African Americans from several northern states were higher than those for whites from many southern states (Bond, 1924a, p. 63). He argued that African Americans who migrated to the North must have left their "duller and less accomplished White fellows in the South." Bond also believed that IQ test scores reflected social and educational training. Inline with this belief, Jenkins's (1936) reported the results of IQ tests given to Black and White children in Illinois, and found that the proportion of students with scores over 130 was the same among Black and White children when environmental influences were comparable. A later study, involving Caribbean children, would in essence replicate these findings. The results from that study showed that when raised in the same enriched institutional environments as white children, black children demonstrated superior IQ test scores. IQs were: Black children 108, Mixed children 106, and White children 103 (Tizard et al, 1972).

    Studies also show that upward of 99% of group IQ score differences between healthy black and white Americans are eliminated after controlling for cultural factors. Manly et al (1998) found that after cultural factors such as linguistic behavior (e.g. black vs. standard English) are controlled between healthy black and white Americans that IQ score differences between these populations virtually disappear; becoming insignificant in all but only one area (a reading section)! Some argue that because those who construct standardized tests come from a narrow social group that it follows that test items will contain information and structures that match the background knowledge of some people more than others (Richardson, 2000). This may explain why “acculturation” is found to predict IQ score differences better than virtually any other variable, aside from literacy levels (which is essentially another mediator of culture). Other studies have shown similar results, after controlling for cultural factors. Fagan and Holland (2002) found that where exposure to specific information was required; whites knew more about the meanings of different sayings than did Blacks, due to exposure. But, when comprehension was based on generally available information, Whites and Blacks did not differ (Fagan and Holland, 2002; see also, Fagan and Holland, 2007). This study also found that when Blacks and Whites are matched as to the comprehension of sayings requiring specific knowledge that Blacks were superior to Whites on intelligence tests (ibid).  

    Teng and Manly (2005) argue that tests developed for members of the majority culture are often inappropriate for ethnic minorities, especially those who speak a different language, have little or no formal education, and grow up in vastly different circumstances (see also, Williams, 1972; Boone et al, 2007). These researchers further argue that variables that directly affect test performance, such as education and acculturation instead of race or ethnicity, should be considered as explanatory variables for test performance (Teng and Manly, 2005). Boone et al (2007) obtained findings that further supported this line, as not ethnic differences, but the effects of acculturation directly and significantly influenced IQ test performance. The authors cautioned that normative data derived on Caucasian samples may not be appropriate for use with other ethnic groups (Boone et al, 2007). Ryan et al (2005) found that discrepancy in reading and education level was associated with worse psychological test performance (e.g. IQ and other tests), while racial/ethnic minority status was not.

    • Nick Nick United States says:

      Look at places like Haiti compared to Iceland. Iceland is nearly 100% white while Haiti is nearly 100% black. Haiti has a great tropical climate while Iceland is basically covered by ice. Why is the quality of life so much higher in Iceland compared to Haiti? Why does Iceland have a 100% literacy rate compared to Haiti's 52% rate? Why is the life expectancy in Haiti 51 years of age while it is 80 in Iceland? I'm sure people will be able to blame racism somehow. It must be a conspiracy by white nations to keep the Haitians down?

      • Wayne Wayne Canada says:

        The effects of French-colonialism has a lot to do with the state of Haiti. Some of the least developed countries in Africa also suffered under French rule.

        I once had a history teacher who challenged the class to name a third-world country that had not been under colonial rule within the past three hundred years.

        As far as I know, there aren't any. If you can find one, touché -- but the general pattern is that third-world countries are the victims of their colonial pasts. And the economic structures that colonialism built are still active to this day, look at the relative successes of America and Europe to the rest of the world and how the WTO serves to maintain the balance of wealth (to our benefit).

        This teacher also remarked that the effect of colonialism was more dire based on the differences of each culture -- meaning that Europeans colonizing other Europeans was less damaging to the colonized party because they were more similar in belief and way of life etc. Whereas, Europeans colonizing Africans or Natives was more brutal because these people's societies and cultures bore little or no direct resemblance to their own and so the invading forces had little or no remorse in their subhuman treatment of their subjects. The forced deviation from the cultures which were natural to these people was the most disruptive force of colonialism -- entire cultures, including systems of belief and ethical codes, which took centuries or millennia to come about, were eradicated in a relatively short period of time. This left people without a link to their own culture and a bitterness toward the culture of their colonizer -- in turn, they are forced to try and rebuild from the ground up, except it is impossible to do this in a natural sense as it was in pre-colonial times because of the modern economic structures (WTO) which essentially make rising out of poverty in Capitalist way impossible. Note: that Socialist Cuba has a higher literacy rate (99.8%) than USA or Canada (99%).

        Bringing this back to Haiti. Haiti cannot be compared to Iceland. The vast majority of Haiti descends from a group of slaves brought across an island (after all it's original inhabitants were killed), were the people of Iceland ever transported from one continent to another for the purposes of becoming slave labour? Were the people of Iceland ever subject to a system where they were subjugated, oppressed and where their most charismatic leaders would be punished, possibly by death? After Haiti overthrew their French oppressors, they were free in one sense, but the way of life and culture they had a few thousand years to develop in Africa had been destroyed. They are now stuck in an endless cycle whereby poverty is widespread and governmental corruption let's this continue, there are few jobs, no job creation, no valuable resources, no structured system of public education because people are so poor they need their kids to work for food etc.

        Presumably, by the nature and projection of your logical fallacy, you are caucasian, as am I. I think it's unfortunate that so many people from the most wealthy countries on the planet make such uneducated and insensitive simplifications of the historical circumstances that have caused the world to be as it is. And your comment makes it seem as if the sole cause of Haiti's plights is that its people are black -- you just sound racist and ill informed to me.
        Considering our ancestors stole the continent we call our home, we really owe it to the world to be aware of our history and the way history has shaped the present day (at least that's all we can do because feeling guilty for something you didn't personally do is senseless).


        In regards to the article at large, even if the findings are true -- so what?
        We are all equally as human and no race is necessarily "better," especially not based on average intelligences. Intelligence is only one facet of a person, and the measure of your  intelligence is unrelated to how good a person you are, or what you might have to offer, in fact, educated, intelligent people often detract from the human race by acting selfishly and by manipulating the systems in which they live to serve the benefit of the few and not the many.

        Never delude yourself in thinking that you are more than someone based on how fast you process information.

        • Kristin Kristin United States says:

          I agree with everything you say, however; African countries are not better off than Haiti. There is one theory not discussed here, vitamin D deficiency. Blacks have lower vitamin D levels because their skin filters out the UV light. It is proven that low vitamin D in utero causes brain damage and lowers iq permanently. The doctors who discoverd this can't broadcast it very well because it is politically incorrect. In the US and Canada blacks will get some vitamin D in milk, which would raise their IQ levels. The conclusion of the vitamin D research is all black people need vitamin D supplementation. There you have it folks.

          • Memo Memo United States says:

            So it isn't because they're black (African descent)...some Caucasians are brown by definition  and it is a part of their genetics...it is the skin, not the race.

        • Colonel Neville Colonel Neville Australia says:

          Er, maybe but no. All a little Marxist critical theory convenient, hmmm? What about the colonies of India, Hong Kong, Singapore, South Korea, Taiwan by the Japanese and Japan itself etc? The main two things that make virtually ANY place NOT suck is that they have accountable rule of law civil democratic governments and capitalist free market economies. Without these two things anywhere sucks. Colonel Robert Neville blogspot com.  

        • Ken Ken Canada says:

          Finally, words of intelligence rather than arrogance.

        • Richard Richard United Kingdom says:

          These comments are all ideological, none takes practicality into account.  Sub-Saraharn Africans score an average of 70 in IQ tests.  That means they are unlikely to be able to be competitive in a globalised economy.  It means that the expectations the IMF and WTO have of them are hopelessly optimistic.  The more intelligent will want to migrate to areas of the world which present more opportunities (mainly areas occupied by people of European origin, and Asians) thereby continually impoverishing their own societies.  You can see this in any city in Europe and North America.  There can never be peace, there will always be death and misery in areas where blacks are in the preponderance.  This is what is seen in practice, world-wide. You may not like this situation - I certainly don't - but having lived for decades in Africa, I can see no improvement in this situation, EVER. Africa's population now exceeds one billion.  Solutions are what are called for, not ideological bickering.

          • persephone persephone United States says:

            "Sub-Saraharn Africans score an average of 70 in IQ tests.  That means they are unlikely to be able to be competitive in a globalised economy. "

            But who says this? Is it an uncriticized fact? Is it proven? By series of tests? Even if this is true I couldn't imagine that trauma, ill health, bad diet, malnutrition, abuse, culture, lack of education at different ages, and many of the other terrible plights of those who live in third world infrastructures will negatively affect IQ...

            • Richard Richard United Kingdom says:

              Yes, but why are those infrastructures so poor?  The old Rhodesia had good infrastructure, so did many other African countries, left behind by the colonial powers. In South Africa, the level of infrastructure is dependent on which part of the country you are in, basically boiling down to the number of people of European descent in any one area equating to better-preserved infrastructure. One may not like that, but it is the truth. As for the IQ tests, in South Africa, for a long time, IQ scores were racially categorised. In the old apartheid society, Chinese and other Orientals were not at the top of the social heap.  But, here again, they scored at the top in intelligence, whites came next, Asians and mixed-race next, and sub-Saharan African blacks next. When populations breed in isolation for any period of time, certain traits become manifest, depending on what is advantageous in the environment. For Orientals and Whites it was intelligence, and for sub-Saharan Africans, it was physical abilities, such as running. I don't know what the problem is with accepting this fact. As time moves on, and sub-Saharan Africans must compete in the globalised world, their intelligence levels will probably rise.

          • Richard Richard Canada says:

            That's what many of these comments seem not to be taking into account: simply that the proof is in the pudding.  You will search in vain to find a black-dominated nation even remotely competitive in the emerging global economy.  Political correctness aside, I'm not sure there's much to be gained by admitting the clear intellectual discrepancies but it would be nice to at least have the truth emerge and be recognised.

        • RightofRush RightofRush United States says:

          Most all those third world countries that "suffered" under colonial rule were left with an infrastructure of roads, railroads, an educational system, and a civil service structure.  If you are really upset with European culture, use your backyard as a litterbox.

        • Edward Wolf Edward Wolf Australia says:

          Beautifully said. I wish there were more people like you in this cruel world filled with oh so many racist and judgemental scumbags.

        • Somerled Moray Somerled Moray New Zealand says:

          Wayne does it occur to you that the correlation between being a Third world and colonized nation is the result of a common precursor,  being the average intelligence of the population?
          Common sense would indicate that a dumber population would be more susceptible to conquest in the age of imperialism and would tend to perform relatively badly in the age of capitalism. Also consider that the nations and cultures that most resisted conquest and colonisation were those whose populations matched (or exceeded) the average intelligence of Europeans i.e.  East Asia, and that African civilisations were lagging well behind Europeans before colonisation had any possible influence.  The strong possibility of average intelligence being an important determinant factor in the success of nations is certainly not a logical fallacy. What is an illogical is that you have clearly closed your mind to the importance of intelligence and its correlation with genetic lineage because it doesn’t conform to premises of some utopian dream land. Reality is sadly quite cruel, but living in denial of its truths will only make it more so.

    • persephone persephone United States says:


      I am going to read this, thank you. These people commenting are racist idiots who have no education, critical thinking skills, no concept of skepticism or basic common sense. They're pissing me off. I'm white btw

      • Colonel Neville Colonel Neville says:

        Of course dearie, everyone is a racist but you. Any fact can be countered by simply saying "racist!" You are a moral saint surely. Brush up on logical fally, bub. Colonel Neville.

        • persephone persephone United States says:

          Nope. But sometimes there are simply too many levels of idiocy to waste time on anything other than calling people racist.

          BTW, I am well aware of what logical fallacies are, BUB, and in case you didn't notice, BUB, I *ALSO* called you idiots, lacking education, critical thinking skills, no concept of skepticism or basic common sense.

          Maybe you should try to re-read my TWO sentences. Perhaps that's too difficult for you to do, BUB?

          It's ok, not everyone has such a high IQ.

    • antishlomo antishlomo United States says:

      Teng and Manly (2005) has nothing to do with intelligence testing, rather being an emotional appeal to modify treatment of Alzheimer's patients according to the race of the patient.
      The claim of Teng et al (1998), explaining poor black performance due to their use of non-standard English (i.e. "ebonics") is easily refuted by masses of evidence demonstrating that blacks have more access to Standard American English than do the children of European immigrants who frequently grow up in non-English-speaking environments but nonetheless perform significantly better on IQ and related tests than their native black counterparts.

      "Studies also show that upward of 99% of group IQ score differences between healthy black and white Americans are eliminated after controlling for cultural factors."
      This is simply an outright lie and is not supported by any evidence whatsoever. On the contrary, after controlling for socio-economic factors, white Americans score better than black Americans by more than a full standard deviation, according to the massive evidence from IQ testing (Rushton and Jensen 2006).

    • cat cat United States says:

      I agree with you sir, there are big differences in the races, and some are much better than others. I won't mention who are better than others, in my informed opinion here. Since we obviously don't get along and we are so differnt, we should have counties zoned by race and race mixing made a felony. That way you could keep your people's superior traits intact, real or imagined.

  9. Black Supremacist Black Supremacist United States says:

    in the United States, when matched for IQ with Whites, American Blacks have been shown to demonstrate superior “Working Memory” (Nijenhuis et al., 2004). This is a particularly interesting finding as African Americans tend to be taught by less qualified teachers (e.g. non-certified teachers and teachers with limited experience) than their white counterparts, and are provided with less challenging school work (Hallinan 1994; Diamond et al., 2004; Uhlenberg and Brown 2004). In Chicago, for example, the vast majority of schools placed on academic probation as part of the district accountability efforts were majority African-American and low-income (Diamond and Spillane 2004). Thus, it is somewhat of a surprise that African Americans should outperform white Americans on any portion of a paper and pencil test designed to mimic the structures of western style schooling and culture (Richardson, 2000, 2002).

    Educational inequality in the U.S. is a pervasive part of the social system and is primarily a consequence of housing. Since the majority of states determine school funding based on property taxes, schools in wealthier neighborhoods receive more funding per student. As home values in white neighborhoods are higher than minority neighborhoods, local schools receive more funding via property taxes (Kelly, 1995). In addition, there has been a history of social policy which has limited African American’s access to avenues of wealth accumulation (e.g. purchasing suburban homes); so that black families also have far fewer assets than their white counterparts who earn the same incomes (Oliver and Shapiro, 1995). Parents with greater assets are free to use them for things like tutors, purchasing educational materials (e.g. computers), and to pay for private schools and more expensive colleges.  

    In a study which helped to highlight the need for better education for African American children, Serpell et al. (2006) took 162 low-income African American and white fourth graders and assigned them, randomly, to ethnically homogeneous groups of three to work on a motion acceleration task, using computer simulation or physical tools. Or to a control group that did not participate in the learning activities. It was shown that both African American and White students performed equally well on the test of initial learning, with both groups scoring significantly higher than the control group. However, it was also found that African American children’s transfer outcomes were superior to those of their White counterparts (see Serpell et al., 2006). The study demonstrated, empirically, that not only do African American children learn as well as white children, but that they may actually exceed their white counterparts in their ability to transfer learned abilities to real tasks.

  10. Black Supremacist Black Supremacist says:

    Barnes (1972) noted that the Stanford-Binet, and the Wisc IQ tests are examples of “Culture specific tests,” and that the culture in this instance is what is referred to as “white middle class” culture. Lyman (1970) designed a cross cultural test called the “American Cross Culture Ethnic Nomenclature Test”, or “ACCENT.” The instrument contained 20 black biased and 20 white biased items. In one experiment this test was administered to 110 undergraduates (91 whites and 19 blacks) where it was found that the black participants out performed the white participants. Blacks obtained a mean of 15.3 on the black items and 11.1 on the white items, while white subjects obtained a mean of 12.7 on the white items and 8.3 on the black items. The results of this study indicated that when blacks and whites are tested cross-culturally that blacks may outperform whites on standardized tests.

    Williams and Rivers (1972b) showed that test instructions in Standard English penalize the black child and that if the language of the test is put in familiar labels, without training or coaching, the black child’s performance on the tests increase significantly. Ideally a child’s language development should be evaluated in terms of his progress toward the norms for his own particular speech community (Cadzen, 1966); however, this kind of evaluation is rarely, if ever, done with respect to African Americans. Studies using sentence repetition tasks have found that at both third and fifth grades white subjects repeated Standard English sentences significantly more accurately than black subjects, while black subjects repeated nonstandard English sentences significantly more accurately than did white subjects (Marwit et al, 1977). Students in American schools are usually taught and tested only in Standard English, which can put African American students at a disadvantage. In fact, this issue was at the center debates concerning the use of Ebonics in the American school system during the 1990s.

    Researchers provide considerable evidence showing that traditional psychological assessment is based on skills that are considered important within white, western, middle-class culture, but which may not be salient or valued within African-American culture (Helms, 1992; Helms, 1997; Hilliard, 1995; Boone et al, 2007; Teng and Manly, 2005). Kwate (2001) argues that IQ tests are antagonistic and incompatible with an African centered conception of intelligence and mental health, while a study by Obiakor and Utley (2004) showed that culturally diverse learners are often excluded in educational programs in the U.S. through misidentification, misassessment, miscategorization, misplacement, and misinstruction-misintervention. When test stimuli are more culturally pertinent to the experiences of African Americans, performance improves (Hayles, 1991; Williams and Rivers, 1972b). For example, research shows that “Black Culture” depicts problem solving as an integrative hemispheric endeavor rather than a linear, analytical process (Bell, 1994), and that in this culture "psychological closeness" is necessary for one’s involvement in the phenomena which he seeks to understand.

    Studies using empirical methods also find that cultural differences in the provision of information account for racial differences in IQ scores. Fagan and Holland (2007) asked African-Americans and white Americans to solve problems typical of those administered on standard IQ tests. Half of the problems were solvable on the basis of information generally available to either race, or on the basis of information newly learned; while other problems were only solvable on the basis of specific previous knowledge. In this study specific knowledge varied with race and was shown to be subject to test bias (Fagan and Holland, 2007).

    • jon jon United States says:

      I'm just going to try and make this as simple as possible. Why is it that all over the world blacks live a poor quality of life. Whenever I see feed the children commercials I don't see white people. If you want to blame white people for slaving black people I have this to say, maybe if you weren't so stupid we wouldn't have been able to slave you in the first place. It's always the white man holding you back. How about you stop acting like children and take responsibility for your stupidity.

      • cat cat United States says:

        Jon, I agree with you. Since we obviously don't get along, I feel the answer is to zone counties by race. How were Asian and black people doing before contact with whites? How are hybrid countries doing? What are their accomplishments? The worst criminals are deturmined by crime statistics. The best people are deturmined by their history of achievement and invention, and these are the people we most need to keep as pure as we can.

        • Leshaynn Leshaynn United States says:

          Cat...Let me help you AND Jon out...the ignorance is killing me. Before you go on a rant or rave PLEASE use correct, grammatical, sentences. I applaud the effort from each of you and I thought I might help: Jon there are so many whites living in poverty and doing bad that it's hard to believe that you wrote that--HELL, YOU ARE ONE! Whites didn't "slave" us, dummy, they "enslaved" us! The enslavement had nothing to do with intelligence and everything to do with manipulation, power, and control. I agree, the white man isn't holding us back, but his naive, ignorant rant on my race DOES NOT HELP MY CAUSE!!! Got that DUMMY? Cat: ZONE THE COUNTRIES--REALLY?? Have you EVER taken any Foreign Policy classes? Nope! Um, yeah...NO, girlSmile NO NO NO...the worst criminals hide behind weaker individuals and make them do their work (good and bad) take all the credit and the money, educate their own children (with money they did not lave for) and say they did it all by themselves!!!!! Go to school...do that for your race. It would helpSmile

  11. John John United States says:

    Black Supremacist, please stop spamming your copied and pasted drivel.

  12. Steve Steve United States says:

    Dear BS- It's interesting that you had to go back over 40 years to find studies to support your beliefs.... must have taken a lot of time.

  13. opex9718 opex9718 United States says:

    its so funny that everyone just loved to here that whites are so much smarter than blacks then when someone post facts from source after source saying sorry yall its just not true,now the white folks have a problem and want to get mad becouse there superior bubble is burst!I should ask my little sister who graduated from yale and is currently a doctor what she thinks.She may have a better opinion than i do seeing that she graduated from UCLA before going off to Yale,but then again she is just another stupid black women!

    • John John United States says:

      First of all, please learn the difference between "here" and "hear."

      I highly doubt that your sister graduated from Yale since intelligence is highly heritable, and you seem to be rather mentally deficient. (Of course, blacks aren't known to respect monogamy -- perhaps she's your half-sister.) And even if she did get into Yale, she almost certainly benefited substantially from affirmative action -- don't think her potential employers won't know this.

      Anyway, yes, black supremacist did post a lot of "evidence," but he failed to cite it with accessible sources! How are we supposed to verify if his evidence is true? There is simply no reason to believe that anything he said is true.

      • Carmen Carmen United States says:

        Your comment is very racist.  I am black with an IQ of 123.  My four children's IQ's range from 126 to 132.  Ditto my grandchildren.  I feel that the study cited above was not very well prepared and did not allow for many factors that make up a human being's intelligence.

        • joe joe United States says:

          So you're an outlier on the IQ/race scale.  There are outliers (+ and -) to every scale.  yay for you.  I too am annoyed to discover than on average, Asians are smarter than whites.  But the evidence is all around us isn't it: Asians get into the best schools, have the highest test scores, consistently, everywhere in the world.  I accept that.  And im not scared by this because my IQ is 142, higher than most on any scale.  So in summary: Deal with it.  

    • Nick Nick United States says:

      Actually, these "racist" tests show that East Asians have the highest IQ. So these racist whiteys made up racist IQ tests to make East Asians look smarter than the rest of the people? Why is it that Chinese and Indian immigrants can come to the US and take college entrance exams and not complain, while blacks who were born here keep complaining that the tests are culturally or racially biased?

      • Christopher Christopher United States says:

        It is much easier to immigrate to a country and do well rather than be a part of a country where race is a cultural factor and matters in the way people react to you and treat you. Asians and Indians do not have the same racial connection with this country

        It is also important to note that many successful blacks in the US are actually immigrants from other countries proving that African Americans are indeed affected generationally by their ancestors and the well being and education allowed to them.

        • Angus Angus Ireland says:

          Welfare and other handout programs can and will weaken any race but it would seem that the negro race is more prone than others to seek out and accept this handout generation after generation and Welfare breeds drugs,crime and laziness, that's how it is in England and the blacks can't blame slavery and or racism for their lack of but yet they always try to shift the blame. Compare Moss Side Manchester to any American city that has a large black population(Detroit,Compton and so on) and you will see that the mentality is the same.

        • Angus Angus Ireland says:

          African Americans are indeed affected generationally by their ancestors and the well being and education allowed to them.

          Welfare and other handout programs can and will weaken any race but it would seem that the negro race is more prone than others to seek out and accept this handout generation after generation and Welfare breeds drugs,crime and laziness, that's how it is in England and the blacks can't blame slavery and or racism for their lack of but yet they always try to shift the blame. Compare Moss Side Manchester to any American city that has a large black population(Detroit,Compton and so on) and you will see that the mentality is the same.

  14. MAC MAC United States says:

    Hi Opex, Your email didn't do anything to support your case. Next time, I suggest that you use spell check before you post.

  15. J A J A United States says:

    I think it's true as with other genetic/race traits.  It doesn't mean someone of a certain race that has tendency's to score lower on IQ tests means that the race as a whole is "dumber" than another.  It means that there are talents that they have in other areas that another race might lack in slightly from another.  One may have better communication abilities, while another may have better problem solving abilities, and another have a better memory. I'm just saying that this test does not go in depth enough and needs further research..  I'd say average out everyone of different races abilities and it would all average out to equal.

    -A German/Lithuanian/Cherokee

  16. The Monk The Monk United States says:

    Interesting to read as well:

    http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/crimoff.htm

    stating such facts as:

    The prevalence of imprisonment in 2001 was higher for
    -- black males (16.6%) and Hispanic males (7.7%) than for white males (2.6%)
    -- black females (1.7%) and Hispanic females (0.7%) than white females (0.3%)

    and

    Lifetime chances of a person going to prison are higher for

        -- men (11.3%) than for women (1.8%)
        -- blacks (18.6%) and Hispanics (10%) than for whites (3.4%)

  17. A. Shevis A. Shevis United States says:

    What's crazy is that, if you look at reproduction rates, there is a correlation between IQ and reproduction - but on its face seems to indicate almost an anti-evolutionary track.  On balance, low I.Q. people have far more children per/capita than do high I.Q. people...People with high I.Q.'s have the least children per/capita.  That's just crazy.

  18. A. Shevis A. Shevis United States says:

    Just look at the average IQ by country - it's overwhelming evidence of the wide difference in iq's.  But IQ doesn't address all life situations, do they?  I don't think Einstein would do well lined up at wide receiver for the Washington Redskins.  

    The important thing is what does society reward?  Generally, it rewards high iq.

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IQ_and_the_Wealth_of_Nations

  19. Colonel Neville Colonel Neville says:

    Maybe take a visit to The Department Of Justice statistics page. http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/abstract/cvusst.htm

    Golly, my wife is Japanese and folks sure behave and think differently and thus seem to golly, achieve a hell of a lot more, than say..South Central L.A. No really. Go figure. I'm sure it's nothing. Like Singapore, Taiwan, China, South Korea...My enormous Japanese family just happens to be loaded with blindingly smarter and highly qualified technical and mathematical etc folks than me. I'm white. Still, just coincidence. Funny innit?

    http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/abstract/cvusst.htm

    www.frontpagemag.com/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=26368

    94% of murdered black men are murdered by black men. Everyday 100 US whitewomen are raped or sexually assaulted by black men. In 2005 37,460 white females were raped sexually assaulted by blackmen. 0 to 10 black females were sexually assaulted or raped by white men. Black men account for 19.2 percent of Pedophiles. 7 out of 10 black children have never seen their father. 55 percent of US prisoners R black. Blacks only 13% of population account 4 over 50% of all violent crime. 82% NYC shooters black 1% white. Blacks tend to drive faster than other groups too.

    Most victims of race crime are white, about 90% according to “Highlights From 20 years of Surveying Crime Victims” published in 1993.  Almost 1 million whites were murdered, robbed, assaulted or raped by black Americans in 1992, compared with about 132,000 blacks who were murdered, robbed, assaulted or raped by white people. Blacks thus commit 7.5 time more violent crime than whites even though the black population is one seventh the size of the white population.

    In 1994 45,000 peoplewere killed in inter-racial murders.By comparison, 58,000 Americans died in Vietnam and 34,000 were killed in the Korea War.

    But for great black folks with intelligence, courage, morality & values go 2 PJTV com Sonja Schmidt, Alphonso Rachel, Bill Hicks, conservative black radio, Thomas Sowell, Lt Col Allen B. West allenwestforcongress com, etc. Dr Charles Drew was black & invented the process of separating blood into PLASMA, saving milllions of lives. In WWll, black soldiers were courageous fighters. Largely variants on celebrity opportunist dimwitted fraud$ get the MSM light & massive black crime is hidden.

    Colonel Robert Neville blogspot com.

    • Memo Memo United States says:

      Everyone is black. Each race didn't independently pop up on each continent. Each generation shapes the generation before it, through genes and parenting environment and natural selection. The white race is a product of much interbreeding between different races. The white race is a mix of different races - it isn't an independent entity.

    • Gregory F. Peischl Gregory F. Peischl United States says:

      Colnel, you have a point. I have a 12 year old American car with 92,000 miles that needs a valve cover gasket. My lady friend has a 19 year old Honda with over 224,000 miles on it that never needs anything. North East Asians are certinly to be admired and have several admirable traits. I like their average IQs, their brain cases and work ethics, but they have childishly and stupidly overun their habitats with people. Compare even Japan's lifestyle, wealth, infastructure, contentment with that of Scandanavia. Their IQs on things we measure are higher than most whites, but my viriety of Caucasian beats them by two points, and my IQ beats their average by 21 points. We should deal with their superior products by erecting tarriffs, so at least we can keep our home markets. I will soon buy an American car again, junky or not. I want to get a Ford Fusion, which is a better value than a Honda Accord, and is also more reliable still.

  20. John John United States says:

    Maybe we should ship them back to Africa?

  21. Barry Richter Barry Richter says:

    John, you are racist trailer trash. America would not be the country it is today if not for the free labor (slavery) and contributions made to this country by African-Americans. People like you are the cause of most of the problems and shortcomings (no pun intended) of this country today!

  22. Harding Harding United States says:

    Your reasoning is fallacious because it assumes that the way America prospered (slavery) is the only way it could have prospered.

    A similar argument is that we wouldn't know about relativity -- and would never know about it -- if Einstein hadn't been born. This argument leaves out the possibility that someone other than Einstein could have discover relativity, just as your argument ignores the possibility that America could have prospered by a means other than slavery.

  23. Dagny Taggart Dagny Taggart United States says:

    The actual issue that everyone sidesteps is not with the "race" but the leadership. The reason that African Americans consistently do poorly on any measure of outcomes is that the leadership of the black community owes it's very existence on there being an "oppressed" underclass.

    If black leaders, or white leaders that pander to the same underclass, actually had their constituent's betterment as their focus, they would lose their following. Fair housing, class mobility, economic opportunity and access to the trappings of the middle class are not segregated only to whites. As all of these things are gathered wholesale by eastern and western Asians. Indians come from a culture that is currently(today) stratified by caste. A deep and unyielding segregation bordering on slavery for some. Yet even the lower castes come here and prosper. How many Indians do you see in public housing?  The differences are in entitlement, self-sustainability and accountability.

    Political correctness has become the constitution. Even if studies that focus on genetic differences could be used to help the plight of minorities, they are buried, dismissed or ignored. Did anyone see this on any national broadcast news? The so-called leadership of an entire minority is incentivized on keeping them just where they are and convincing them that the only solution to their situation is allegiance to the leaders.

    Blame the political class, not the manipulated masses. No test can determine accountability and self-sufficiency. Oh, sorry--except one. Life.

    • WTF
      Flabbergasted Flabbergasted United States says:

      Since every-one seems to be airing their wacky ideas, here is mine.

      Why do Asians seem to do better than blacks in the US?

      For me the answer is simple, and runs thus:

      Most white men have a strong fear of black men. There is nothing scarier to an average white man than a black man unshackled - in a position to freely compete and challenge.Many white men fear this because they have a deeply repressed dread that they would come the worse off in such a situation. Irrational, if you ask me, but oh so true.They may feel the same with regards to Asian men but not with the same intensity. So these Asian men have more chances of doing better as they do not face as many hurdles from the MAN.

      Out of this widely held insecurity complex has sprung the myth of the inferiority of the black man to the white man - the greatest fraud in human history.

      Why is it a fraud? Simply because those who have propounded and propagated it have shown by their actions that they do not believe in it.

      Simply because if black men were really inferior to white men, then the attitudes of "race conscious" white men towards blacks should have been characterized by paternalistic benevolence. Instead much of modern history has been characterized by the unscrupulous but futile attempts of the white man to repress and shackle the black man.

      If black men were really dumber than white men - then why the repressive legislation and practices in matters of professions. Why the death penalty for any-one found teaching slaves to read and write? Surely with their lower cranial volume blacks would naturally not pose any threat. There would therefore be no need for the unpleasantness that has characterized much of Black-White interactions in history.

      • RightofRush RightofRush United States says:

        When push comes to shove, Blacks seem more likely than not, to have a reversion to barbarity.  Consider the riots in Los Angeles and Detroit.  When Katrina happened, the behavior of the Black police differed little from that of the Black looters.  The return to the mores of the jungle was there for all to see.

  24. blacksupremacist blacksupremacist United States says:

    8,448 white-on-black rapes (see Table 42 in the report) (14.2 percent of all rapes against blacks were thus committed by white rapists); and,

    17,572 black-on-white rapes (same table) (13.1 percent of all rapes of whites were committed by blacks).

    Now, to be technical, it is no doubt true that some of the white perps in this data, AND some of the white victims were actually Latino, given the closer proximity between blacks and Latinos, spatially. But doing the complicated extractions necessary to know what percentage of either is Hispanic, though it can be done (and I am working on the methodology for my book) is more detailed than I feel the need to be here. So for the sake of comparison I will leave the numbers as they are, knowing that both would likely be smaller, and reduced in rough proportion to one another, if Hispanics were excluded.

    A few things should be noted here:

    First, blacks raped were more likely to have been interracially raped than whites were.

    Secondly, although the number of black-on-white rapes was higher than the reverse, to be sure, the multiple is nowhere near 50:1. Numerically it is a little more than 2 to 1. On a per capita basis, since whites are roughly 6 times more prevalent in the population than blacks (as of 2002), this would mean that on a per capita basis, any given black person was about 12 times more likely to rape a white person than vice versa.

    Now perhaps you are thinking at this point, "OK, whatever: whether it's 50 to 1 or 12 to 1, that's a huge disproportion!" And that's true, sort of, though not nearly as meaningful as it seems.

    To begin with, as I explain in my piece "The Color of Deception," whites and blacks do not encounter each other at rates that are comparable. Because of residential and spatial isolation from one another, this won't surprise anyone reading this, I imagine. Indeed, according to Census data, presented by criminologist Robert O'Brian (the footnote for this one is in the original Color of Deception article, which has now been critiqued on Bryant's website, and which notes can be viewed there), any given black person is about 19 times more likely to encounter a white person than vice versa. Blacks, on average, encounter 57 whites out of every 100 people they encounter--so even with spatial isolation, blacks run into lots of white folks--while whites, on average, are actually more racially isolated, encountering, on average, only about 3 blacks for every 100 people we encounter.

    Now obviously, you can't victimize someone you don't encounter, and if blacks were choosing rape victims purely randomly, we would expect that 57 percent of the victims of black rape would be white. But in fact, only 26 percent are (17,579 divided by 68,621: again, you can do the calculations easily from Table 42). This means blacks are half as likely as we'd expect to rape whites, numerically speaking, if they were raping at random, let alone TARGETING whites, in which case they would have no problem finding even more than 57 percent of their victims to be white.

    Likewise, based on encounter rates, if rapists picked victims randomly, we would expect 3 percent of the victims of white rapists to be black. But indeed, in 2002, there were 110,394 rapes committed by whites (check yourself in Table 42--the computation takes about two minutes). 8,448 as a share of 110,394 is actually 7.65 percent: more than DOUBLE what would be expected if white rapists picked victims randomly. If anything then, this would tend to suggest that whites are targeting blacks for rape, though indeed I am not claiming that. The disproportion is probably a statistical anomaly based on small sample size. But still, at the very least this demonstrates no disproportionate black on white rape.

    Based on encounter rates alone, we would expect the 68,621 black rapists to have raped 39,114 whites, while the 110,394 white rapists should have raped 3,312 blacks: a numeric multiple of nearly 13 to 1, rather than the 2.1 numeric multiple in actuality, and we would have expected a per capita rate multiple, therefore, of 75 to 1, rather than the 12 to 1 that manifested in actuality.

    In other words, based on encounter ratios and rates, blacks raped whites far less often than would have been expected, and whites raped blacks far more often than would have been expected.

    • persephone persephone United States says:

      That's impossible - people encounter each other at the exact same rates, by defintion of the word "encounter". You are talking about something different entirely: consciousness of the other person's race, or willingness to report the other's race to whatever scientist or poll this came from.

      • Adam Trousers Adam Trousers United Kingdom says:

        Blacks, being fewer in number, are on average going to encounter whites a lot more often than whites will encounter blacks.  You're confused about this, and I understand why it may seem counter-intuitive to you, but it's true. If you're black in a majority white country, it's inevitable that many of the people you meet will be white. If you're white in a country where blacks are a small if significant minority, it's quite possible that you will seldom encounter any black people.

    • Ivy logic Ivy logic United States says:

      When people work diligently to oppose orthodox (mainstream) beliefs, it can be noble and profoundly beneficial to mankind.  

      However, this man is something very different.  

      He is a 'contrarian'.

      His behavior is that of the egotist who delights in always trying to prove the group wrong.  He doesn't much care if he's actually right, he just needs to be contrary to maintain his (deluded) sense of superior insight; thus establishing himself as (in his mind) the smartest man in the room.

      His behavior is common among 'narcissists'.  This is a rather severe maladaptive behavior.  Please be aware of where he's coming from and factor that when reading what he submits.  

      • jjj jjj United States says:

        Very good Ivy Logic. However I would have to say that your description of blacksupremacist would be applying to all white supremacists on this page, seeing as racial inferiority is not a mainstream belief by any means, yet all of these contrarians find an almost sensual pleasure out of manipulating IQ data to fuel a white supremacist ideology that only really, really childish, socially autistic people still entertain as true.

  25. j-boy j-boy United States says:

    High IQs correlate to high scores on standardized tests: Asians/Whites at the one extreme end and the blacks on the other. also, Jews as a group are the most successful ethnicity in terms of achievements...is it any surprise to anybody?

    Why can't we just accept the truth and move on...

    Oh yeah, blacks on average are the best athletes in the world than any other racial/ethnic groups...I guess God is fair!

  26. Alan Alan Ireland says:

    Ok. Im just randomly passing by this webpage so have no interest or obsession with the subject.

    Quickly, some of my observations would be:

    1). It seems to me that brain size isn't indicative of intelligence. There was a news report some time ago about a man with a degree in mathematics who went for an X-Ray and amazed and startled himself and doctors with the discovery that he had almost no brain and a hollow skull.  If intelligence was related to brain size then  how come Einstein was'nt a freak with a brain the size of a house. Einstein was'nt 6 foot 10 with a 250 pound brain. Nobody would point and laugh at his huge head. However his brain did work efficiently.
    Then of course we have gifted children whos brains are smaller than those of fully grown adults yet who can find the prime number solutions of really difficult problems.

    2.) People should'nt be using the question of racial intelligence to engage in triumphalism whatever the result. Triumphalism is childish and not intelligent.

    3.) I would not be of the opinion that intelligence or superior athleticism happens accidentally. What is random is whether or not it is exploited to the advantage of humanity but theres no way if I had better parents  or a wealthier upbringing that I would be able to find out whether 998989322344 is a prime number without a pencil and  a piece of paper. Middle class families often have a kid who does well in school plus a kid who does poorly so whats thew difference if its not something innante ? You can give a pencil to a 5 year old. One will draw a masterpiece and the other like myself will draw a stickman. We cant all be Einsteins of Van Goghs however apart from those who are innately psychpoathic, we can be educated with the ethic to respect and care for each other.'

    • Lizzie Lizzie United States says:

      I would hope you wouldn't need a piece of paper to know that 998989322344 is not a prime number, because even numbers other than 2 can not be prime. Smile

    • persephone persephone United States says:

      Going back to the article/general discussion of race and IQ, I wanted to bring up another point and ask if you guys realized that there are inherently MAJOR problems with sample size and standard deviation considering there are billions of any given race. You are not polling a country but an entire race.... Sample size is a well-known MAJOR starting-point issue with any study - ask any statician or researcher or look it up.

      Further, if there is some truth to this as a general rule I'd look to environmental factors and diet. Third world societies can NOT be judged in the same light and given the same IQ tests.

  27. HHH HHH People's Republic of China says:

    I am a Chinese and grew up in a large city.

    My IQ score is 137. But I don't think I am clever around my Chinese friends. Normally a high school student in China would have >110 although I didn't do the statistics.

    • Skeptic Skeptic United States says:

      HHH: I once saw statistics on the Chinese education system. I recall that only a tiny percentage of the Chinese population makes it into the university system. (I believe it was around 2%. But you probably have a better idea than I.) So, university students are the cream of the crop. If your friends are university students, then they are undoubtedly highly intelligent. Even with an IQ of 137, you would not necessarily stand out.

      IQ is usually defined such that the average is 100. One standard deviation is 15 points. So, someone with an IQ of 130 is two standard deviations above the mean. This is only the ninety-fifth percentile on a Gaussian distribution. (5% of the population has an IQ above 130.) You are about halfway between two and three standard deviations. That puts you at roughly the ninety-ninth percentile of intelligence: about average in a pool of the smartest two percent of the population.

      Even if you think that the average high school student has an IQ above 110, that is still less than one standard deviation from the mean. An IQ test ideally is supposed to measure innate intelligence, regardless of education and background. However in practice, it is not clear that one can completely separate pure cognitive ability from skills developed in the classroom and elsewhere. All IQ differences between different races are one standard deviation or less from the mean. This can easily be explained by variations in education and privelege, as well as cultural differences.

  28. HHH HHH People's Republic of China says:

    Of course I am well educated. For my university classmates, I think they should all get around 130. It's just too normal to have around an IQ of 120 in China. The problem is that these smart guys only earn 200 euros every month.

  29. ORIT ORIT United Kingdom says:

    I love it how so many people on these boards proclaim their own high IQ - nobody of course is anything other than gifted...

    You do all know that 90% of all these poxy IQ Tests you have taken aren't worth Jack S*** Smile

    The truth about IQ is that when measured properly it has repeatedly been found to be the best predictor of success in an industrialised society and the differences between groups (with a massive overlap of course) has been well known for decades.

    The only thing in dispute is what percentage of those differences is genetic - clearly it is far from 100% and people can better themselves - but the idea that the differences are 100% environmental doesn't stand up to realistic scrutiny. There are obviously people on these boards that don't want to look at the overwhelming evidence in an objective way.

    The world would be an easier place to live if it wasn't so, but we can all see with our own eyes that the differences exist.

    • David Miles David Miles United States says:

      I also noticed there are a lot of genius claims here. Can someone tell me what the 'quality' IQ tests are?

    • Colonel Neville Colonel Neville says:

      Actually, I can empirically say state that my own IQ is between 1 and 1 million. Pretty good eh?  This has been proven using the 'Kellogg Breakfast Test', found on the back of most 500 gram packets.

      There's a little cardboard brain you can cut out and wear with the aid of a small piece of elastic and staples. I'm wearing it now. Colonel Robert Neville blogspot com.

  30. John Smith John Smith United States says:

    Just like some families are more intelligent than other families (ie: families where everyone is either a lawyer, a doctor, a businessman or a politician vs. families where maybe only 1 person went to college), it is conceivable that some "races" are ON AVERAGE more intelligent than other "races".

    • Alan Alan United States says:

      Facts are facts.  Asians have the highest IQ's, then Caucasions, Latino's, and then blacks.  This is average by group.  There are of course many blacks with higher IQ's than Asians and Whites.  As an employer, I higher the best person for the job.  In all cases, I higher the person with the best work ethic combined with a high intelligence.  Nothing worse than a very smart person who is lazy.  Depending on the job, an eager less intelligent person is just not going to cut the mustard.  Intelligence is important, you just need a good balance.  Most black children have parents who do not care about education.  Education starts and ends in the home.  My neighbor has 2 children, one has a high IQ and the other has an IQ which is below average.  The parents spend a lot of extra time with their less intelligent child.  Because of this, the child is successful in school, without all the extra effort, she would fail out of school.  The difference between her and the average black child is the parents involvement.  Blacks have a high drop out rate because the parents, or should I say parent is very lazy and takes no active role in the childs educational development.  People, black or white with lower intelligence need all the extra help they can get.  I would love to see Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson take out all their hatred on the black parents and stop blaming whitey.

  31. S. E. Joseph S. E. Joseph United States says:

    Gee, all this time I thought that it was talent and hard work contributed to obtaining two master's degrees and my upcoming doctorate. Now I know that it was the generations of white men who sexually exploited my foremothers that have given me my big brain! White narcissism and arrogance knows no bounds.

  32. ORIT ORIT United Kingdom says:

    As caucasians are not claimed to be the brightest on average I do not understand why you would want to turn this into a specific Black-White issue.

    Instead of discussing the issue rationally you start boasting about yourself and attacking others - it makes you look like a bit of a tool.

  33. Cairin Cairin United States says:

    This is simply racist! I cannot belive someone from Berkeley was involved in this clap trap. I am white and I don't give a flit what my IQ is because I am secure in my own abilities but apparently these idiots need IQ test and studies to stroke their flailing egos and deep rooted insecurities. They should all burn their cards in Mensa and join SAIA. (Stupid Ass----s in America). WE HAVE SO MANY!

  34. Mushroom Mushroom Sweden says:

    I just wish that racists stop exploiting studies like these. This doesn't need to be a taboo subject. The fact is that black people are underperforming in academic endeavours (as a group, not necessarily individually).

    We should try to understand how much of it is genetic and how much is dependent on environment. This could lead to a better understanding of where the differences lie and what could be done to close the gap.

    And yes, whites can learn a thing or two from other cultures. Because a race that is highly materialistic and linear in thinking isn't exactly an advantage in all situations. Again, what is genetic and what is environmental in creating such a left hemisphere bias is up for discussion. Just saying that you aren't some kind of triumph of human evolution.

    I'm not anti anyone.

  35. ORIT ORIT United Kingdom says:

    Not sure why you are talking about 'whites' again, these studies do not show 'whites' as having the highest average IQ.

  36. goodtallviking goodtallviking United States says:

    Here's the question to which  I think we should: Given that 1/2 of our population has "below average IQ" (by definition), and given that this difference cannot ever be removed, or even reduced, what should we do to achieve the best society ? If by "best society " we can all agree that we bean the one that will maximize every one's opportunity to "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness," then let's roll up our sleves and figure that out.

    We have learned that trying to make every one equal in IQ is a complete failure. The Great Society and Head Start and all proved that !Cuba, China, and the USSR taught us that simply giving everyone equal income regardless of ability also fails.

    So what is left ? I do not have that answer, but I think we should all work on finding an answer. Let America once again be the "city on the hill," that leads the world to a better place.

    Let us strive for a world that nurtures independence, self reliance, hard work, faith in God, autonomy, personal freedom, and all of the important, classical virtues. But let us strive for one that also keeps the "floor" of personal failure high enough that the least among us are not in abject misery.

    Time to create the next and best social system for our glorious republic !

  37. Mushroom Mushroom Sweden says:

    "Not sure why you are talking about 'whites' again, these studies do not show 'whites' as having the highest average IQ."

    Because that is where the historical tension lies. Because it was whites that have upheld racial theories and implemented it in social institutions in europe and the US.

    It doesn't matter in this discussion that east asians average 5 points ahead of whites, because if you read between the lines, what white supremacists are saying is that 5 points doesn't matter much. Do you get it now?

  38. ORIT ORIT United Kingdom says:

    Mushroom, no I don't get it, you cannot make a supremacist argument on being five points BEHIND. I think YOU are looking for a problem.

    Every institution I have had experience with in my country only discriminates in so far as checking there are ENOUGH minorities in that institution to fulfil a minimum set quota - regardless of ability. In my country it is now legal to deliberately discriminate specifically against white males - that's the law.

  39. Krishna Krishna India says:

    To All the folks ( black, white and all else ) who posted here,
    I am a  Indian, born and educated in India. I have a graduate degree from very good Indian colleges,worked ( software engineering manager)  in the USA for a few years as well and know a thing or two about US society. My IQ is definitely on the higher side, but i would not post it here.

    First a few opinions from me:
    - There is incontrovertible proof that IQ is inheritable , atleast upwards of 50%.
    - But it is also true that there are huge differences within a race. There are i am sure there are 140+ IQ blacks as there are sub 70 IQ whites.
    - It is also true that IQ is very complex. It depends on
         --- nutrition
         --- brain size
         --- cultural nuetrality of tests and language
         --- Education level of parents and the general sorroundings.
         --- even order of birth
         --- Many other factors.

    - I am also not sure, if comparing Black American IQ with other races is fair. US blacks were those selected for physical labor, not for their brains, when they were shipped to US. So there was likely to be some selective  pressure that played a role in their IQ. Same for Indian US ( and chinese as well ) immigrants, on the opposite direction, many studies show average IQ above of 115  or near this figure. This again is due to selective pressure.
    Also, as someone pointed out i am not sure, the average black parent ( single or double ) cares about the education of his/her kids. Chinese, Indian and Korean parents spend all their energy on their kids education.

    - That is why the best IQ tests are those that are culture neutral and can measure general intelligence without being too hard or easy to any one race or cultural group. I am not sure, that somehow the US blacks are at a disadvantage due to difference in black culture and white cultures. If true, even East Asians, Indians in India and US are at a bigger disadvantage many of who speak a non English language at home, are not christians .

    - Generally white nations seem to be properous, and now many east asian nations also seem to be joining them.

    - I see many black nations, in Africa ( and Haiti ) impoverished, and crime ridden. I dont buy that colonial rule did this to them. Many are free countries now. Even countries like Korea, China ( partially ) and India were either ruled over or very poor in the 1950s. But they seem to be prospering of late. If Africans still dont beleive, this, then may be there is  some international white conspiracy ( that i cannot apparently fathom ), that is somehow keeping these couries poor.

    - Though I have no problem admitting that East Asians ( koreans, chinese, Japanese ) have a high average IQ, i must also admit that, these societies have not been the torch bearers of creativity or originators of technical inventions in the last few centuries. It is the predominantly West and central europeans that were responsible for the modern society and all the technology. So there you go, having highest IQ has not exactly given rise to geniuses ( chinese, korean and Japanese ).Something that blacks should take note of.

    - At the end of the day, average IQ of a race means nothing to me. I see a black individual with 140+ IQ and a white individual with 90 IQ, i am going to select the black guy for any congitively demanding job.  At the end of the day, it is important to be objective about IQ, race and cause and effect, so that, any new knowledge gained could be put to good use in improving everyones lot.

    - Well one ray of hope about this IQ. We are probably on the verge of figuring out the genes for IQ and intelligence. I am wondering, ( setting aside all the social and political minefields, doing this might generate ) one day it may become routine to selectively have kids with these genes ( or have these genes inserted from outside )  and ensure all kids have high IQ. Then perhaps , this IQ 'thing' will become a non issue.

  40. Krishna Krishna India says:

    Quote from one of the persons who posted:

    "Researchers provide considerable evidence showing that traditional psychological assessment is based on skills that are considered important within white, western, middle-class culture, but which may not be salient or valued within African-American culture"

    Assuming this research is very true, why cannot anyone ( black educationists or other researchers ) come up with IQ tests that do assess skills that are considered important to blacks?. Is it too hard to do that?

    From a purely curiosity point of view, I wonder what criteria or items are salient or 'valued' within African-American culture. Anyone can enlighten me or offer guesses!.

  41. Skeptic Skeptic United States says:

    I found the paper on Google Scholar. I did not read it, because I would have had to pay a fee to do so. However, I looked over the list of over 100 papers citing this one, and I found a number attacking it. This paper is by no means the final word on race and intelligence

    Note that the authors are NOT reporting any original findings from a study they performed. Rather, they have compiled a review of the vast literature on race and intelligence, and are drawing sweeping conclusions from it.

    When writing any review, one must choose to cite certain papers and ignore others. It is impossible to do this without introducing some type of bias. This is especially problematic when reviewing an entire subfield of research. Therefore, any conclusions should be greeted with skepticism. Given the subject matter the authors put so much effort into reviewing, it is not hard to guess what their bias is.

    When a scientific community draws conclusions from many lines of research, it does not rely on a single review. Rather, a consensus among many researchers develops over time. Given that there are papers attacking this one, it does not seem that the authors are speaking of any consensus.

    Typically, a review of the literature will simply summarize major results from different research groups. Attempting to draw sweeping conclusions shows hubris and a lack of scholarship.

  42. Irungu Kangata Irungu Kangata Kenya says:

    I am a Kenyan, Black African lawyer. I am a black nationalist, in fact, a Rastafarian - a religion drawing inspiration from ultra-black nationalists like Garvey.

    Does Culture play any part in IQ assessment? This study is not very clear on that. I think it does. Probably Blacks IQ is low because there does not exists a universal Black culture (e.g a black religion or political thought system which has existed over many years and probably imposed to other societies) as opposed to the other races. Take religion. Christianity, though not originally from Europe is basically a white religion;Islam is  Arab;Hindu is Asian etc.

    Personally, I tend to agree that the black race has a problem though I am not sure whether it is genetic. This is because in all societies in the world, blacks are committing vices at a higher rate compared to other races(even to their very own). Secondly, We do not have a single black nation which is showing any potentiality of prospering in the near future.But most pathetic, blacks' level of assimilation by the cultures of other people is pathetic. Blacks have  adopted  the negative aspects of the other people's culture to their own detriment. Blacks tend to blame whites for their underdevelopment,but they are not offering any resistance to that perceived domination (intellectual or  even physical like what Alqueda are doing presently). I was astonished to find that the rates of black-to-black crime, divorces,abortion and extra-marital fertility  are highest amongst all other American ethnic groups.In Africa,our governments have aligned themselves with the west in all international issues;every domestic discourse   is justified by a quotation of the West. The Black youth are not interested in serious issues of politics or economics but watching European soccer. In fact, I suspect that probably,at this rate, black race with its multitude of problems will be wiped out. I understand in the US, Latinos have now overtaken Blacks in terms of population.

    The East Asians, Indians and some modern Arabic counties like UAE and Kuwait  have maintained their unique cultures and this probably explains their present economic ascent.Well,we do not have a cross-cutting authentic African culture to fall back to but I am convinced that Blacks should endeavor to mould a unique,progressive culture (that is scientific) which is disengaged or independent from the West to stimulate an economic and social take-off.

    Irungu, Kenya.

    • Patrick Patrick Australia says:

      They are some very thought provoking ideas that you wrote Irungu. The entire discussion is very interesting, although I think some of the posters are a little shrill in their opinions.

      I also would agree that there must be some genetic basis for intelligence and that it would probably vary depending on race. I think that it is a difficult thing for many people to accept calmly though, as it has many implications.

    • Watanabe Watanabe Japan says:

      I agree. Maybe the solution is to stop adopting other thought systems and make your own. Like East Asians have a culture of only the highest achievement. I'm sure if we see a powerful culture like that develop in Africa we might see drastic changes. All I see in Africa right now is a poor culture of corruption and violence.

  43. RightofRush RightofRush United States says:

    Mr. Katanga, I'm sure that you are aware of the infrastructure and civil service legacy of the White colonial powers as well as the value of European technology.  It would have been nice for you to have acknowledged so.

  44. Tshim Tshim United States says:

    If you have any knowledge about studies, you will know this study is very flawed. It does not take into account many factors. Such as cultural and environmental issues. This study and many of you arguing I believe do not realize the difference between genetic IQ and actual IQ. Genetic IQ is the range of IQ you are able to achieve, which is dependant on your genetics. Actual IQ is the IQ you currently have due to the education, environmental, and cultural factors of your life. So to summarize that for you, because I think many of you are too dumb to understand. That we all have a range of Iq we can achieve for example 110-130, now if you live in well developed environment with great education its very possible you can achieve a 130 IQ. On the other hand if you life in a culture that is not nurturing to Intelligence you will almost certainly be at the bottom of that scale at 110. This is what im trying to point out. That this study did not take this proven factor in to account. If you do not take factors like this into account, you can not make conclusions like this study did.

  45. Christopher Christopher United States says:

    Poverty, especially in black communities is more than just financial status. As this page shows, for hundreds of years blacks have been told they're ugly, have small brains, and are savages. In places like Detroit, where they're seen as "just black people" rather than just human beings, even blacks believe in the same stereotypes some on here are pushing

    For a white person in America, they will never be judged as automatically being dumb because they're black. They can also relate more to the country around them...unlike blacks...and they have access to more connections being 80% of the country. Not to mention there's a generational impact dating back to the 60's where blacks weren't even allowed to go to good schools. We are all affected by our parents and their parents and so on and so forth. It will take more than a few decades and for people to actually accept blacks as equals for that to happen.

    • Smthree Smthree United States says:

      For a white person in America, they will never be judged as automatically being dumb because they're black.

      Unless that white person is obviously a redneck.  Because anyone who speaks with a southern accent or dresses in camoflage must be stupid. Intelligence sterotypes can be based on more than race.

    • teyw teyw United States says:

      I am Chinese and trust me, in the 60s china had the worst education system in the world. Search "culture revolution" china killed thousands of knowledged individuals /teachers and made millions of people suffered from the after effect. Even today a lot of Chinese people (age above 50) can not read. So education lvl in the past wouldn't make a good excuse for what it is today.

    • Ted Ted United States says:

      It will take more than a few decades and for people to actually accept blacks as equals for that to happen.

      - Christopher

      Blacks will be accepted as equals as soon as they stop committing all those crimes, stop having all those ilegitimate children, and stop doing so poorly in school.

  46. whatever whatever Canada says:

    Asian, does that includes Vietnamese, Filipino etc.. because last time I've checked it was all about the CHinese and Japanese or Koreans (the whitest of the Asians)

    • Watanabe Watanabe Japan says:

      The 'Asians' referred to here are East Asians aka the Japanese, Koreans, Chinese. We separate them because they experienced a harsh ice age unlike say Filipinos. Theory has it, the harsh conditions are what picked off the intellectually inferior leaving only the intellectually superior. Skin color has nothing to do with it, just a higher concentration of albanism in East Asia. However when we compare East Asians with other Asians we see East Asians have very small noses (to avoid inhaling the cold) and more fatty eyelids (as protection from the cold). The ice age is what is theorized to have contributed to the high average intelligence among East Asians.

  47. Chris Chris United States says:

    it is really interesting to see the contradictory arguments on here. Many of you are proving you'll say anything to degrade blacks which really ends up proving the argument of the "liberal media". There are people on here who have actually said that maybe if blacks weren't so dumb they wouldn't have been enslaved or colonised. Then you call blacks violent. Well, couldn't someone supposedly respond to that pathetic excuse for an argument that if whites weren't so violent, opportunistic, inconsiderate, and ruthless that there wouldn't have been enslavement, Jim Crow, the KKK, Skinheads, Neo-Nazis, the Holocaust, the Cold War, the Civil War, WWI & WWII, raping and beating slaves, etc. etc.?? All these violent and inexcusable acts throughout history, and yet to blacks you apply a different standard? Very interesting. I'll tell you what I don't believe in "race", and do see inequality around me all the time, but at least you can say that inner city or African issues remain in their respective areas for the moat part. You don't see blacks starting wars with random countries, attempting to colonise Europe, or trying to enslaving anyone in the last hundreds of years

    • TyroniusJamalJackson TyroniusJamalJackson United States says:

      Please refer to the statistics published by the U.S. Department of Justice on "Crime and Race".  Why do you suppose that Detroit, New Orleans, Washington D.C. and Cincinatti are the crime centers of our country?  
      Is it because I don't encourage them to move next door to my family?  Is it because their great-great grandfathers were slaves?  Is it because male blacks never assume the role of "father"?  Is it because Free Gov't Cheese contains carefully crafted doses of cocaine?  Or, maybe, is it because they are inherently inferior to any civilized culture.

      Stop blaming your own miserable condition on others and take care of your welfare queens.

      • Chris Chris United States says:

        Take a look at the history books. Why did the KKK go around burning and lynching random blacks? Is it because whites are inherently predisposed to domination, killing, hurting others, and making sure others are inferior to them

        Why were blacks prevented from reading during slavery?

        We are all aware of the statistics...but violence throughout history proves your theory to be illogical. In fact, to even claim intelligence with such a flawed argument is laughable

        Did you also check the statistics to realize that blacks are more likely to get longer sentences and the death penalty compared to non-blacks who do similar crimes? Are you also aware that many places refused to hire or educate negros as recently as 40 years ago until it became law?

        Come back with facts my friend...every thing in the present is affected by your ancestors...including the ones who as recently as the 1980s were told they were ugly, unintelligent, and subhuman. That's a sure fire way to treat someone equally ehh?

        • frmore frmore United States says:

          You must be absolutely brainwashed to embrace such a false and contrived narrative. Let me put it in perspective for you. From the end of the Civil War until 1960 perhaps blacks were the victims of extra judicial executions about 4800 times (the number varies over almost a century). Whites were grabbed out of the hooskow before trial and hanged more often. There goes your victim status. Any year in the past ten years, according to FBI crime statistics, no less than 34,00 whites are raped each year by blacks while white on black rape is statistically unknown. Although they comprise only 12% of the population, year after year, commit more than half the murders in the United States. Low IQ and low impulse control creates a huge problem for society. Your invented myth above perpetuates a living hell or at least lends that hell tacit approval to exist. Blacks are also less likely to get the death penalty- another brazen lie. But you are an ideologue (or more accurately an acquiescent and willfully naive fool parroting misinformation you've been fed). The facts do not matter. So why mention them when in your world 2 + 2 will never equal 4?

          • Chris Chris United States says:

            Whites were grabbed out of the "hooskow" and hung more than
            Blacks by who exactly? Considering those same blacks were busy picking cotton and getting raped and beaten?

            It is a FACT that blacks were regularly hung...and when slavery ended the KKK took care of more hangings. And as for your rape statistics...where exactly are you getting your facts from? Are you aware that minority women are more likely to be raped and more rapists are white men?

            Do we even need to point out that blacks were regularly raped during slavery and For most of the 20th century without justice? Those women got the same amount of justice as Emmett Till...none

            So where are you getting your facts from? Some of you love to pull up government statistics...why not look up "racial" conviction rates and death penalty convictions. Go ahead...

            Face it...if you do believe in "race", then from a historical standpoint blacks have a lot of violence to catch up to..

        • Richard Richard United Kingdom says:

          Chris, the events to which you are referring took place in the United States during a particular historical epoch. The world extends beyond the United States, and you need to look at events outside your country. In the United States, the dominant group has historically been white. In southern Africa, before the arrival of European settlers, blacks were dominant. They migrated there from the Great Lakes area, and then proceeded to establish their dominance over the indigenous peoples who had been living in the area for many tens of thousands of years. They did this by pushing them into the mountains, and then into the deserts (Kalahari, for one). When I lived in Africa, the sight of even a picture of Bushmen would elicit laughs and derision from black Africans who land they had usurped. It is therefore a reasonable assumption to make that this is (unfortunate) human behaviour. The Bushmen are still confined to the Kalahari Desert, and are still denied their rights by the (black) government of Botswana.

        • Richard Richard United Kingdom says:

          Chris, by the way, you may want to look at the events that have been going on in Zimbabwe to find many examples of blacks killing other blacks, not to mention Rwanda and Burundi. What I mentioned earlier was comparatively tame.

        • cat cat United States says:

          Chris, I posted a reply to the black supremist on this site, but they placed it above his entry instead of below it, making it nonsensical. I doubt this site's motives? Since we obviously don't get along, and are so obviously different, please join me in trying to make race mixing a felony and to zone counties by race. All supremists, black or white or Asian, should join me in this endevor, so our superior traits, real or imagined, can remain intact.

          • Chris Chris United States says:

            No thanks. The truth is that there are plenty of people out there who want peace among human beings. They don't see it as an Us vs. Them thing and neither do I. So the notion that we have to separate and prove our superiority is illogical at best because this perceived superiority among races is indeed imagined and fictional. The truth is many on here want to believe one "race" is inferior to the other and will dismiss any scientific fact that says otherwise while endorsing the facts that support their hateful opiniins

            It doesn't have to be complicated...hating or looking down on someone because they have different features from you has just always been good for business

        • TyroniusJamalJackson TyroniusJamalJackson United States says:

          Some pretty heavy crying going on in here, huh Chris?

  48. Richard Richard United Kingdom says:

    Chris, not quite accurate to say that blacks didn't invade or enslave. The Bushmen of Southern Africa were ethnically cleansed and their lands taken away (they left evidence of  their decimation by blacks on their caves, whom they depicted as black, as opposed to their being brown). Also, starting long before the Trans-Atlantic slave-trade, the barbary pirates (Corsairs) launched continual attacks against Europe to capture slaves. Estimates are that more than a million Europeans were captured by Africans in this way. That is why France colonised Algeria, to stop the practice. In fact, I see you are from the USA: as far as I know, the first war your country fought after independence was against the African barbary pirates. Within Africa, there is a continual history of warfare and destruction and eradication of various tribes by others. The only difference is that Europe was able to project its power because they had boats to get them across the waters, but I think you are likely to find that a comparative scale would put Africans right up there. However, we are still living the post-colonial narrative of good blacks, bad whites, so this sort of thing, although freely available to read, is simply not interesting to ideologues.

  49. Chris Chris United States says:

    Nice try, but the Corsairs weren't "black". Thry were humans though, just like blacks. And they were for the most part Arabic and/or Muslims. And there is no narrative of "good blacks", as blacks are still stereotyped by many before they can even show their character

    Slavery did take place in Africa. However as it relates to hurting others, considering the World Wars, the Slave Trade, atomic bombings and killing for oil and power...historically "whites" as we like to call them has more of that rap sheet

    Personally it matters not to me. I see history and I see human violence. But if we are to use the logic of many on here, the logic is really astounding. It's the equivalent of calling blacks barbaric when the KKK and Nazis still exist..not to mention the Italian Mafia once caused a lot of pain and violence.

    Irony

    • Richard Richard United Kingdom says:

      Your use of the word "try" (as in "nice try") is somewhat aggressive. Never mind, you no doubt have reasons for that behaviour. You are viewing the history of the world as a black person living within a white context. If you lived in a black context, you would see things rather differently. For example, if you visit Ulundi in South Africa, the residence of Shaka, king of the Zulus, you will find that he aggressively conquered and annihilated surrounding tribes, enslaving them, and totally assimilating them. Thousands of people fled this event (called the Mfecane in the Nguni language) and fled... to whites for protection. In fact, so many fled to the early white settlements that the Zulu kings became hostile to them. Before that, over the course of many thousands of years, negroid Africans overpopulated the Great Lakes region, and pushed southward, overwhelming all the indigenous peoples of the south, who were distinct ethnic groups. Blacks are no more indigenous to most of southern Africa than whites, they simply usurped the original inhabitants sooner, and more completely.

  50. Astrogirl Astrogirl Canada says:

    As a Black person, I don't think Blacks get it. They are always blaming Whites for their problem, yet the tend to strive in White environment more than their own.  They complain about the White school system (when it comes to math and science or language even), yet show up for gym class and dancing contest and other nonsense just fine.

    The issue with Blacks is serious, because it is a global one, so it can't be just racism. Go anywhere in the world where it's majority Black (nation, or neighbourhood) and it's the same scenario.

    Now they are obsessed with Ghetto garbage.

    • dawn dawn United States says:

      As a black person.... give me a break.  You're in Canada, so you don't get what goes on here in the US.  Now I don't know how Africans are in their own environment, but bring them to the US and they outshine any American.... white and or black when it come to US Academics.  That's with any foreigner...

      And yes, black people can't blame everything on whites when it comes to education.... but please, we have a long way to go.  I suggest you stay in Canada because you wouldn't make it here in the US... or you would be the black person standing around with a bunch of whites telling N'word jokes.    

  51. dawn dawn United States says:

    I wonder how they came up with this study.  US, has the lowest IQ compared to other countries.  They lost me at the light skinned blacks had higher IQ than the average blacks... and brain size.... Give me a break.

    • steph steph United States says:

      To be realistic, Dawn, those crude categorizations are not the choice of the authors of the review.  That is derived from the decades of research that they are attempting to broadly summarize, not materials they wrote.

      I cant say I've read the criticisms of their work (although a number have been published and some are in my bookmarks), but I'd think they would be no longer tenured at universities such as UC Berkley if their review was at all unscientific.  

      Also, remember this are mean scores.  In theory, I would honestly think that any lower IQ race could breed up to higher standards in only a few centuries.  

      Evolution does not stop at the neck.  Similarly, an quantified evolutionary state is not a barrier, especially when it has been surpassed by the same species.

  52. Al Al United States says:

    If you go to the Info Please web site, you will find pages that list all of the Nobel Prize winners in physics, chemistry, medicine and economics and if you copy and paste that information into a Word document and us the "Replace All" function to count up the number of times that the name "Switzerland" occurs and then do the same for "Japan", "China", "India" and "Korea", you will see that the name, Switzerland, occurs more often than all those other names combined. Why would tiny Switzerland, with only 7.6 million people, produce more Nobel science winners than billions of Asians if the Asians are, on average, smarter than the Swiss?

  53. Ils Ils Switzerland says:

    I don't see why people are arguing the facts. This stuff is taught in my psych classes in uni. E. Asians DO have the highest iq and Africans DO have the lowest. It's established OK? The question is: is it purely genetic or are there cultural influences or is it a combination. We've known Asians had the highest for more than 50 years now and that Africans had lower iqs. Now we're just trying to find out WHY.

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