I enjoyed reading this article so much. It is pretty interesting that you veered our fervant attention on 'homosexuality between human beings' to that of between animals. I was aware that masturbation among animals is common, but this fresh phenomenon is just astonishing. Homosexuality between animals seems to be humorous, but homosexuality between men and women is not a light issue. I believe that our sex is more than instruments that help us achieve sexual pleasure. If that is the case, it would be pointless to restrict people from bizzare crimes involving our sex.
I'm sorry, Josiah, but that comment came off as a bit homophobic. Not all gays or lesbians use each other just as instruments of sexual pleasure. Many have sex for exactly the same reason that a straight couple with no intention of having kids would have sex: because they're attracted to each other, in love, and want a physical and emotional connection with the one they love. There is a world of difference between homosexuality and "weird sex crimes." Namely, that difference is consent. Homosexuality is nothing like bestiality or pedophilia, because an animal or a child cannot give consent, but a person of the same sex as you can.
The fact that nature partakes in homosexuality is irrevelent to humans partaking in homosexuality. They do not have the same ability to reason as humans do.
The problem is that people set up a Catch-22 like that. First they'll say, "Nature abhors homosexuality," & then when that's proven wrong, they'll completely reverse gears & go, "Well, you want to be like an animal?! Dogs eat their own barf!" The problem with this logic, besides being a Catch-22, is that animals tend to do shit for reasons. They fight for territory, they eat to live, they'll eat their vomit so as not to waste nutrients, the bury their waste to show deference to the alpha male, etc. Just because an animal does it, it doesn't mean humans SHOULDN'T either. See breathing, eating, & drinking. The question becomes, "What is it about homosexuality that means it should not be practiced?" Hint: There is none.
Are you serious? Do you know a gay person? I wonder how you would treat your gay friend, brother, child, find a way to gain some compassion for human emotion other than your own. We are all different yet very much the same. Whatever you may believe you are entitled to that but perhaps the information leading to those beliefs is wrong. Realize this, The things you have said in this post are what kids struggling with their sexuality have killed themselves over. People (out of ignorance) say these type of things and they result in very negative consequences and effects. Have you ever been ashamed or embarrassed for something that wasn't your fault? Well it's kinda like that.
Thank you, I am gay and I only have one thing to say to this ass. I "chose" to be gay the day you "chose" to be straght
I wish people would use some common sense and empathy when dealing with this issue. I didn't chose my orientation; I've been bisexual since my mid-teens. I'm middle aged now and still bisexual. I dont understand why some people feel threatened because someone isn't heterosexual. We are like everyone else except we're attracted to the same gender. We're no more evil nor better than anyone else. Why is that so hard to understand?
KOTA you got to stop being so correct lol
Are you arguing with Lithp or with Eric? Because Lithp is on your side. Maybe it was unintentional--these nested comments can be a bear--but it looks like you're accusing Lithp of being anti-gay. If so, you misread him/her.
Thanks for pointing that out. Another fun fact: I can only comment once per visit. Any more than that & the Math Question starts screwing up and not registering my answers. Seriously, what's up with that?
Eric what you are saying is ridiculous. Of course animals have the ability to reason. How do you think the clinically tested chimps make decisions? You unfortunately are showing the stupidity of some humans. The only reasoning offered by humans against homosexuality are religious which in fact, have no real reasoning about them. Gay people have existed since the beginning of time however you still would prefer to live in denial even though gay people happily living their lives are of no danger to yourself. Thats not logical or reasoned behaviour. Its simply ignorance, suppression and hatred of something different to you which you don't understand.
Actually it is NOT ignorance at all! One's belief whether for or against homosexuality can not be assumed to be ignorance. It is ONE'S own belief...I do not agree that homosexuality is right however I am not one to judge or tell someone else what to do with their life. Only God can, and yes it may be a religious belief but it has been around longer and was in existence long before "gay love" Men and women were created (whether in your belief by God or evolution) to reproduce. Can a man plant his seed in another man and create life? NO...can a woman do the same with a woman? NO...Now I do agree that (for the most part) you can't help falling in love with whomever you fall in love with, but I do believe that there are many kinds of love and as humans we are emotional enough to love more than one person at any given time! I know that the whole of society wants to make everyone accept homosexuality but we don't live in a Utopia. As far as animals being homosexual, that really has NO tie to humans being homosexual...they don't have the same reasoning, nor do they have a soul, or a conscience. They partake in homosexuality for pleasure, not love and companionship.
When half of your comment is in complete disregard of scientific fact, & the other half is twisting it out of context to support your warped world view, YES, you ARE being ignorant. There's nothing saying I can't be judgmental. Particularly when you not knowing what you're talking about is a demonstratable fact, while sexual morality is not.
Animals have no conscience? Are you stupid?
Many animals do not have self awareness. That is what we usually deem a "consiousness" (note the dog barking at the mirror, the cat swatting at its reflection in a puddle). No need for "stupid" namecalling.
The bible states that premarital sex is a sin. It also says that homosexuality is a sin. I feel like we can assume a large portion of Christians practice sex before marriage, at least here they do. So I guess Teresa, if you're going by the bible, almost everyone in the world is living "in sin".
yes Tor. The Bible does say that all who commit sin will die. But that doesn't mean that you have to live in it. 'Repent and be saved' from the wrath to come, Jesus said. So...when people get married, or follow through with commitment on the sexual act that they already committed prematurely, that doesn't mean that they are still living in sin. (duh) Married between men and women is sanctified by God, according to His design. Homo's always 'intiate and many times even force others'(95% of the time) into homosexuality. Read the statistics and ask all your partners. You all started it when you were in strongly led into it. I've personally interviewed hundreds of prison inmates. How did they start? Someone forced them, almost everytime, and of course 'instant gratification' or 5 minutes later they discovered that this was what they always wanted. Instantly. -Seen it all dude.
See, that's funny, because I've seen some interviews with prisoners before, and they usually say they aren't sexually attracted to their victims or homosexual. And even if they were, that's a lot like me only interviewing serial rapists and then going, "You see how sick heterosexuality is?!"
I am a christian. I am the pastor of Northgate baptist in alabama. some of the comments i am reading from my christian brothers are harsh and filled with hatred. mind your words brothers. embrace the gay community. love them. the father sent his son for them also. stop the ignorant judgements as you will be judged also for your sinfull birth. Matthew 7:1-5 “Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye.
Are you saying homesexuals need love too, or that the behavior is not a sin. As a pastor, a Baptist at that, I sure hope you're not approving of the behaviors, only saying we are all equal in God's eyes. Because that, sir, is what's correct.
You know NOTHING about being gay; admit it. I've NEVER forced anyone into anything! 95% my Black Ukrainian arse, how can you say such things? Prison inmates? So now all of us are criminals? We are all bloody rapists? Stop talking nonsense. And not all of us believe in your God nor your bible. You can be non-Christian and have ethics.
Rik, you're talking ignorant nonsense. There are no credible studies or statistics that back up your ludicrous claim that "Homo's always 'intiate and many times even force others'(95% of the time) into homosexuality." It should go without saying that prison inmates are in no way a representative sample of the general population. Yes, rape is common in male prisons - but it is usually as much about power and dominance over the victim, as it is about sexual release.
"Seen it all, Dude" - Really - Dude? And yet apparently you never let it go to your head. As has already been pointed out, you're basing your erroneous assumptions on the behaviour of male prison inmates; by your logic, that means most people settle thier 'scores' with others by violent interraction. Let me see the statistics you have to prove that. You're also allowing you religious beliefs - which have scant enidentiary support and no proof at all - to cloud your judgement. It never ceses to amaze me how so many "Christians" of your persuation think they know my mind and my history better than I do, even though they have never met me. Such arrogance is only eclipsed by the ignorance that inevitably accompnies it. Unfortunately, your self-imposed blindness will probably never be lifted, but at least anyone reading this post will know very wrong you are - about so many things.
Well, OBVIOUSLY he knows you better than you do because God knows everything & because God knows everything & God said he exists & knows everything then he must exist & know everything. LOGIC!
TRUE, BUT WHAT ARE YOU SPEAKING TO?
Thanks for that, i've totally been forced into being attracted to guys. I've been attracted to guys since i was in 6th grade, I feel the same about guys as i do girls if the emotions involved arent stronger than with girls. I totally enjoy being lumped together with people who commit crimes. God created me to love and i do. I love who God has designed me to love and if you can't deal with that you arent a true christian. The bible says that homosexuality is a sin, but GOD didn't write it man did. They may have felt like they were being told by God to write it but that doesnt make it so. I'm proof that homosexuality isn't a bad thing. i do not judge others, and i dont appreciate being judged at just 15 years of age. THANK YOU SO MUCH. and you can't go through life going by statistics, every body is different.
The bible also says that men who cut their side burns and work on Sundays should be stoned to death!The bible says a lot of things that nobody adheres too. So Theresa if you are going to start using the bible to justify ignorance then grab some stones.
It also says that you shouldn't eat certain types of animals. Scholars and people who have given it more than a cursory glance realise that these were ceremonial laws for an ancient society. You are doing the field of theology and exegesis a disservice by randomly quoting these things. In any other field it would be seen as absurd.
The concept of male female union permeates the bible from start to finish, therefore it is an eternal. The concept of cutting your beard a certain way, I would guess, appears once in a very marrow context. We need to use our brains when reading the bible as God intended and not make wild points that weaken the argument. I have spent a lot of time researching homosexuality and I still don't feel fully qualified to comment and I am sure the same principle holds true for the bible. It is a massive book with many secrets upon which more has been written than almost anything so it might be wise to look into it a bit further rather than relying on second hand arguments.
Just thought I'd tell you what's wrong with your comment, Teresa. These are only the points pertaining to homosexuality. 1. Everyone should have freedom of belief, But your belief oppress people. That's not ok. 2. Yes, the different sexes were created for procreation, but, just like with animals, sex has so many more meanings than just "babies". 3. Utopia: you're basically saying, "we don't live in a perfect world, so let's not try to be better." 4. Humans ARE animals. Therefore, homosexuality in the animal kingdom has EVERYTHING to do with homosexuality in humanity. 5. Animals have a conscience. But seeing as homosexuality is neither right nor wrong, consciences have nothing to do with being gay. Mainly, homophobia IS ignorant. It's ignorant of the possibility of love between 2 men or 2 women. (Yes, LOVE, not just sex. Pure, unconditional, gay love.) You are being VERY ignorant. In fact, you are ignorant of your ignorance. Don't hate gay people just because a book tells you to; a book which also justifies murder by stoning. So if you really want to believe everything that book has to offer, i guess you better throw the first stone.
Thank you brandon! Extremely well said!
Saying that the bible justifies stoning shows a very poor understanding of the bible. This was a law for a pre medieval society not a law for all time. Trotting out loose unresearched statements about the bible does a tremendous dis-service to the millions of scholars who have seriously studied it for years and would be laughable in any other sphere of science except theology it seems.
Christians aren't supposed to eat pork either, I'm willing to bet 10 bucks you eat pork on a regular basis. Also, the bible has been rewritten an incredible amount of times it's not even comprehensible. Your religion is the most changed in history. Jesus is not the son of God either, he never said he was. If you believe he is, show me where, and don't bring up that the devil said he is, unless you adhere to the word of the Devil. The Council of Nicaea decreed he was the son of God. Read a book, other than the Bible
I suppose then, that since I am lesbian I am also unreasonable.
this (Tara's comment) made me chuckle. <3 Eric, do you reason yourself into falling in love with people? This guy has been explaining to me that I should be in love with him but it just doesn't seem to do the trick...
Based on the fact we've established that homosexuality is natural, as demonstrated by 1500 different species (All supposedly created by God) Then I ask, where is the human 'reason' for denying the homosexuality of humans? You claim we're capable of reason, but without false facts to back up the irrational and unreasonable thoughts of the homophobic bigots, there is nothing in the way of accepting those of us who are BORN different from you.
"The fact that nature partakes in homosexuality is irrevelent to humans partaking in homosexuality. They do not have the same ability to reason as humans do." Eric, if this response is any example, neither do some humans.
You claim it's irrevelent and animals can't reason like we do. my question to you can you prove that statement? No human speaks animal, so how are we to truly know for sure, that is just supposition nothing more.
I am afraid that it is becoming the case that anyone who disagrees in any measure with homosexual practice is labelled an intolerant bigot/homophobe. The gay lobby has been incredibly effective in bringing this about as they seem to be incredibly motivated in doing so.
I didn't see it as homophobic at all. That word is banded around to mean anyone who doesn't jump up and down clapping. You are right when you say sex between humans is never mere recreational fun although it includes that. If it was then rape would be merely an abusive use of recreational fun when we know it is far more than that. I resent having to even use the word sex in a homosexual context as it isn't sex at all. Sex is between a man and a woman, a fact that some people will use any argument, no matter how spurious eg. ducks rubbing beaks haha, to avoid.
I think the instant reaction to 'homophobic' arguments is justified, even if only because for a long time people have been killed and shunned for speaking out about this topic. I don't feel like getting into a conversation about what 'sex' is. I believe same-sex love is love all the same, and no one has the right to tell someone else not to do it. the bible should be taken contextually, and in some cases disregarded because there is some stuff in there not worth following. Religion class made me grit my teeth in highschool. Homophobia may be a strong word. But any intolerance of any kind isn't fair, and I believe it breaks the fifth commandment 'thou shall not kill'. Every time a word is spoken out against gay love, it either kills someone emotionally, or gives the inspiration to someone else to kill someone emotionally. And maybe even cause suicide. Don't kill.