• Hugh Cipher Hugh Cipher United States says:

      The iGENEA King Tut DNA results are a fraud. iGENEA never had actual dna samples of Tut but used information from a discovery channel documentary & filled in the blanks. They've made thousands by bilking Whites who are hopeful to be related to Tut. Theyve been cheated.  Unlike iGENEA the DNATribes results are academic peer reviewed & taken from actual royal mummies.
      m.livescience.com/...-channel-tutankhamen-dna.html

      • Javier Perez Javier Perez Bolivia says:

        Cleopatra for insance, was macedonian.

        And the other point is that back then, science was almost unexistant. While in the mayans example is from far more recent times.

        And besides, how come such supposed achievement of blacks was not seen in more recent times?

        When will you answer this? how come you can find a¿black athletes getting to the top in very elitists sports, yet you find nothing in far less elitists fields like science and chess?

        And please don't missinterpret me, I'm not happy with unfairness at all, my point is trying to accept reality as accurate as possible, without the 'politically correct' bs.

        Accepting reality is a far better option for real help, IMO.

        • Hugh Cipher Hugh Cipher United States says:

          Cleopatra was a Ptolemy Greek Egyptian. She was undoubtedly of Greek/Macedonian heritage but her sister Arsinoe was recently found and scientist identified she was of African decent so Cleopatra may have been of mixed African blood also www.news-medical.net/news/2005/04/26/9530.aspx

          I applaud the Mayans past achievements. The fact they live on a tribal level (some call primitive) is proof civilizations rise and fall as the people who built them do.
          There are scores of brilliant Black scientist. Most definitely enough to prove their ancestors could  have built civilizations in the past . We need not point to Egypt alone but Nubia,Axum,Benin and Timbuktu are all examples of advanced Black African civilizations. The north western European who dominates the world today did not do so in ancient times. There are no pyramids in Berlin. No grand ancient BC period temples in Paris.
          The reasons why peoples build grand civilizations have more to do with environment than genes. This is why the meso American Indians built grand civilizations but their north American cousins did not-environment. I would watch guns germs and steel http://www.pbs.org/gunsgermssteel/ to get a better idea of this dynamic.
          As to your repeated question I will try to make it uber clear

          The racism Blacks suffer is far more acute and damaging than that of Hispanics
          Afro Americans culture was destroyed in slavery and have they have created a dysfunctional culture do to the oppressive dysfunctional conditions they suffer through
          Hispanics have a very intact and well grounded culture. This gives Hispanics a tool to fight psychological oppressions/racism that Blacks do not have
          Blacks have scores of highly intelligent scientist and mathematicians and  the fact Blacks only have one Nobel prize in hard science (economics) does not negate this
          The reality is that I know my self and have known many brilliant Blacks and this alone proves to me there is not gene or genes that are distributed amongst Blacks or Hispanics more so than others that cause low IQ
          Yes genes play a role in IQ but these genes are not distributed amongst one race more so than another
          There are far to many environmental factors that must be ruled out before one can jump to such conclusions as certain races are genetically inferior in terms of IQ

          As for athletic achievement again Blacks are not oppressed physically
          When laws forbade Blacks to play in sports you did not see these achievements
          Today the oppression is psychological, economic and environmental thus you see a lack of achievement in these areas-IQ falls under the realm of psychology
          I believe this is a clear answer to your query
          Now if you do not accept these reasons this is another thing and I can do nothing to sway you that the research and insights I have previously given can

          • Javier Perez Javier Perez Bolivia says:

            Lot of flaws in your statements.

            First, Economy is NOT  a hard science, it's far closer to pshychology than to physics or math.

            Next, it's still missing how come in very elitists sports like tennis, black players appeared in the top level, yet it doesn't happen in science or chess.

            My tennis example was clear, grand slams or Davis Cup in one side ZERO in the other side.

            If very clear attributes are more present in some races, that end up in clear differences in hair, eyes or skin color, WHY WOULD  ABSTRACTION CAPABILITY BE THE EXCEPTION?

            That's something no denialist can explain at all.

        • Hugh Cipher Hugh Cipher United States says:

          I'll leave you with this question & why I use this as an anology of how culture can defend against racism.
          Have you heard of the Latino paradox?
          As you know ive stated that Hispanics have stronger cultural bonds that deflect racism.
          The Latino paradox is a term that comes from a study that showed Latino/Hispanic immigrants have lower rates of mental illness than even rich Whites. Latino immigrants also are physically healthier than any race or class of Americans
          One factor many researchers attribute this to is that Hispanics have tight nit strong family groups (culture) that insulate them from the stress & racism of American society.

          It is well known physical & mental illness is tied into peoples social economic status. The richer you are the longer you live. This has more to do with the stress of being poor than medical attention although this is a factor also.  Social economic status & racism effect mental health & IQ being a mental or cognitive function is naturally effected as well.
          So in ending this is explains the reason why Hispanics have achieved certain academic accolades that Blacks have not. As ive stated Hispanic have a strong intact culture that lessens the effects of discrimination
          Again Afro American culture does not have this protection mechanism

          This is an interesting article I reccomend
          http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/2543060/

          • Javier Perez Javier Perez Bolivia says:

            Blacks have PLENTY of wealthy families in the USa, from decades ago, THEY EVEN HAVE A PRESIDENT for gods sake! (perhaps they have better genes than hispanics regarding the abilities needed to have political and monetary success, BUT NOT better hardware for extremely high ABSTRACTION CAPABILITY the one needed for being a super-elite Chess GM, or a Nobel laureate in real science or a Fields medalist.

            • crystal rosett crystal rosett Canada says:

              black middle class families tend to do worse than white middle class families.
              rich black people live in neighbouring similar to poor white people. poor whites live in more affluent neighborhoods than rich blacks. so even with income, opportunities aren’t equal so your point is moot

          • Javier Perez Javier Perez Bolivia says:

            Whe you say "Again Afro American culture does not have this protection mechanism"

            I put the question in this other way.

            How come such supposed black 'lack of protection' , didn't stop blacks to produce several of the greatest athletes in human history, to produce an USA PRESIDENT and a lot of wealthy families, yet they fail to produce ONE Nobel laureate in real science, ONE Fields medalist, or ONE chess super-elite GM?

          • Javier Perez Javier Perez Bolivia says:

            Are you aware that skills needed to become extremely rich businessman, or extremely succesful politican or lawyer, are not the same needed to be a world-class scientist or Chess GM?

        • Hugh Cipher Hugh Cipher United States says:

          news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/also_in_the_news/7945333.stm
          This is the correct link about recent the recent discovery that Cleopatra was of mixed Black African decent

        • Hugh Cipher Hugh Cipher United States says:

          Eye & skin color are traits that
          Can be attributed to single or a few genetic mutations.  Cognitive ability is a product of a myriad of genes & enviromental effects. One would think if since the races vary in skin, hair & eye color so why not mental ability but its not that simple for one fact intellectual capability, mental cognition & the organ it springs from(the brain) is far more complex than mere eye color.
          its like comparing a cars engine & transmission  to the cars paint job

          • Javier Perez Javier Perez Bolivia says:

            And athletic potential is product of a few genes?

            How come in speed sprint, blacks are unbeatable, no matter how hard white athletes train?

            Are white atletes segregated in such competitions?

            What other explanation would you give to blacks being capable of produce world class, unbeatable athletes, even in some very elitist sports, yet they fail to produce ONE, OOOOONNNNEEEEE  Nobel laureate in a hard science, one winner of the Fields medal, or ONE chess elite player?

            You can{t blame envirnoment 100% on this, it is ABSURD DENIAL.

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