1. Hugh Cipher Hugh Cipher United States says:

    Sorry for the 2 part response as I am typing from a tablet. Whites & other ethnic groups seem to easily minimize or dismiss the severity of the forms of racism suffered by Black Africans. One crucial factor is that the other groups you have mentioned all have intact cultures & none have survived 300 plus years of chattel slavery, American Apartheid ie: Jim Crow & systemic socially entrenched racism. Other groups may have risen from economic hardship but the discrimination they suffered has been fundamentally different thus the environment the rose from was different.  You cant compare an immigrant Jew who is raised in a tradition of reading the Torah in Hebrew & has a healthy culture to an African American who for one comes from a legacy were simply knowing how to read could cost you your life or loss of limb. African Americans live in a system where the very government has taken action to destroy them.
    To quote:
    "Mr. Haldeman, referring to the President as "P," said: "P emphasized that you have to face the fact that the whole problem is really the blacks. The key is to devise a system that recognizes this while not appearing to"


    This is the racist system Blacks live under today.
    As for your comparisons of Athletic muscles to the brain this is a common fallacy.  Yes environment plays a part in both but the brain contains human consciousness & is thee most complicated orginism in the known universe.

    • Javier Perez Javier Perez Bolivia says:

      Why would the athletic muscles be an unfair comparison? Arent such muscles BIOLOGICAL and influenced by GENETICS, the very same as the brain is? Of course environment help, but genetics will give you a LIMIT regarding potential. With great environment and effort, you can improve up to such potential limit, that's why no white athlete can compete with the best black athletes, a top-notch white 100 m runner, can beat 99% of black runners, but he won't have a chance against top black athletes in the league of Usain Bolt, no matter how hard the white guy trains from childhood. Tell me, is this false? If this happens with muscles, why do you think it's impossible to happen with brain? Isn't brain also biological? Why would nature would have to be 'fair'? could you explain?

      • Hugh Cipher Hugh Cipher United States says:

        Again IQ is an aspect of mental functioning.  You cannot arrive at an answer for IQ scores by studying biology alone. You must understand & take in the psychological effects of socio economic conditions.  Also your insistence that Hispanics suffer worse enviromental conditions is misguided.  All Hispanics are not illegals as if this alone would count for your low IQ scores. Better enviromental conditions (ie: less racism)correlate with higher IQ. As for athletic prowess being compared to intellect this would only make sence if we thought with our biceps

        • Javier Perez Javier Perez Bolivia says:

          In EVERYTHING there is a part where GENETICS plain a great part, end environment the other. Why would here be different? you still don't answer.

          Why it is totally verified that no matter how great the environment is, no amount of training can make white, asians, hispanics or jews athletes compete with black athletes.

          And in nobel laureates and field medals WE ARE SEEING A VERY SIMILAR SCENARIO.

          No matter hwat environment is given to black students, they can't match the very top.

          Environment can be only part of the problem, but there is no explanation for ZERO scientific nobel laurreates, fields medal winners or 2600+ chess players.

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