1. Duane Kerzic Duane Kerzic United States says:

    Anyone that actually reads the study will see at no point did the authors say there is no point in getting vaccinated. They said you could safely prioritize those who have not been infected before which is something very different from saying there is no point in vaccinating those that have already had covid.

    I totally agree those that haven't had disease should be PRIORITIZED for vaccination if there is a shortage of available vaccine. At least for a period of up to the 7-8 months post-disease this study covers.

    However I don't agree that there is no point in those that have had disease not getting vaccinated where there is sufficient vaccine and certainly post 12 months after disease.

    And this study totally supports what I just said. But id does not support there is no point in getting vaccinated if you have had covid as the author implies. So how this is going to be spread around and become fodder for the antivaxxers.

    • Chubakka Richardson Chubakka Richardson United States says:

      Sir, this statement VERIFIES what people with 'common sense' have been preaching since the invention of this political hot potato- "A practical and useful message would be to consider symptomatic COVID-19 to be as good as having received a vaccine, and that people who have had COVID-19 confirmed by a reliable laboratory test do not need the vaccine." AND, your messiah Fauci's OWN email to constituents actually stating that uninfected mask wearing does NOTHING to prevent the spread of the virus to that mask wearer!!!

      • Duane Kerzic Duane Kerzic United States says:

        This is not what the study said. It's what one person said after reading it. It doesn't not reflect common sense to anyone that actually is a virologist. And the 'study' only followed people for a period of 5 months. Maybe you need to learn to read?

        And Fauci's email was written early in the pandemic. And at that time it was not known that covid spread asymptomatically. There has never been a respiratory virus that spread asymptomatically know to exist before this one. So there goes your 'common sense'.

        And it has been proven time and again that wearing a mask reduces the reproduction constant. But that's probably above your education level to be able to understand.

        • DeLaun Fifield DeLaun Fifield United States says:

          Maybe it is YOU who needs a little lesson in permeability. So lets begin. How can a filter that is 700 times larger than the particle STOP the particle? Covid 19 is .0125 microns in size, the holes in the mask are .700 microns in size-or roughly 600 times LARGER than Covid! So please explain to me, "the uneducated" how a mask can do ANYTHING to stop Covid 19 transmission??

          • Samrod Shenassa Samrod Shenassa United States says:

            "Covid 19 is .0125 microns in size"

            The diameter of the SARS-Cov-2 virus that causes COVID-19 is about 0.1µm in diameter.

            "the holes in the mask are .700 microns in size"

            Holes in woven face masks are even larger, between 5µm to 200µm, yet still keep the 0.1µm virus from passing thru. There are additional factors that must be considered.

            • When we shed virus, we're actually shedding packets of water that contain particles of SARS-Cov-2. These packets-- called aerosols when under 5µm in size, and just droplets when larger-- are far larger than whatever virus they may be carrying.

            • While the gaps between actual fibers are larger than the virus particle, the fibers are wider than the gaps, and have smaller fibers protruding from them in various directions like a vine.

            • At the microscopic level, traveling thru the gaps is less like passing thru a chain linked fence and more like drunk flying through a long tunnel with thick bushes and shrubs growing off the walls.

            • Traveling randomly in all directions rather that straight lines, aerosols have a high rate of impacting with fibers or the many offshoots. This is called diffusion.

            • Finally, masks usually have multiple layers of protection insuring that exponentially fewer particles make it thru each successive barrier.

            I hope knowing the mechanics at the microscopic level clarifies how masks offer so much protection despite having gaps so much larger than the virus particles.

      • Duane Kerzic Duane Kerzic United States says:

        In the past all respiratory viruses were symptomatic before the infected person could spread them. The infected person has a fever, congestion, cough or other symptoms. So it was easy to isolate the infected and break the chain of transmission. There are many ways to do this. And it's why in some places, like healthcare setting you are asked those questions and your temperature it taken before you're allowed to enter.

        But with SARS-CoV2 it is more infectious before the infected have any symptoms. So there is no way to isolate people that have it before they can infect others.

        So when Fauci wrote that email it was still assumed we'd be able to isolate those with symptoms and control outbreaks. However it was confirmed about 30 days after that email was written that SARS-CoV2 spreads asymptomatically. And later it was confirmed that it was less infectious after symptoms appeared. And then it was confirmed that it was actually the immune system response following infection that was what was really effecting people.

        So at that point it became important for everyone to wear even simple masks. Because they greatly reduced the asymptomatic spread of SARS-CoV2. Because they stopped the infected person from giving it to someone else. But yeah, freedumbs and all of that.

        But yeah, I get that people not capable of thinking for themselves would find that hard to understand. They just follow along whatever some authority figure in their lives tells them and claim they are thinking for themselves.

        • Stephen Campbell Stephen Campbell Canada says:

          That last paragraph is gold considering that you are preaching the msm narrative, so who’s really thinking for themselves

        • Jonny Fin Jonny Fin United States says:

          Here is a meta-analysis of 54 studies including 77k participants on household spread (so masks aren’t a factor) that illustrates asymptotic spread is virtually non existent.

          Results  A total of 54 relevant studies with 77 758 participants reporting household secondary transmission were identified. Estimated household secondary attack rate was 16.6% (95% CI, 14.0%-19.3%), higher than secondary attack rates for SARS-CoV (7.5%; 95% CI, 4.8%-10.7%) and MERS-CoV (4.7%; 95% CI, 0.9%-10.7%). Household secondary attack rates were increased from symptomatic index cases (18.0%; 95% CI, 14.2%-22.1%) than from asymptomatic index cases (0.7%; 95% CI, 0%-4.9%), to adult contacts (28.3%; 95% CI, 20.2%-37.1%) than to child contacts (16.8%; 95% CI, 12.3%-21.7%), to spouses (37.8%; 95% CI, 25.8%-50.5%) than to other family contacts (17.8%; 95% CI, 11.7%-24.8%), and in households with 1 contact (41.5%; 95% CI, 31.7%-51.7%) than in households with 3 or more contacts (22.8%; 95% CI, 13.6%-33.5%).

          jamanetwork.com/.../2774102

          • christi allen christi allen United States says:

            These number of  deaths due from Covid that’s reported is absolutely totally wrong!  I know of at least 10 people who died from heart attacks, strokes, cancer amd even on the news one died from being shot and murdered and all their death certificates said cause of death was Covid because they get thousands if death certificate said cause of death was Covid! Don’t anybody tell me this is a lie because I know this for a fact. 2 were very good friends of mines fathers. And all the others were my clients family and they were all horribly upset over it. And as far as spreading it being asymptotic has also been studied and it was maybe 4% and then couldn’t be proved that it wasn’t picked up on a surface rather than someone being asymptotic. Just my 2 cents of actual friends family members and my own studying  on the asymptotic aspect.

    • Jody Lanham Jody Lanham United States says:

      there is no need to get vaccinated if previously infected.  data has been showing that natural immunity from previous infection is strong.  this is not new information, and this being the case is more than likely to continue to prevail.  why would any common sense individual or entity suggest otherwise, and waste a vaccine on someone who does not need it.  Kind of like carrying an umbrella around during a rainstorm while inside a building, you are already protected from getting wet why would you need the extra protection????

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